"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
It's right there in the first line of the Bill of Rights.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
It's right there in the first line of the Bill of Rights.
the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion - John Adams
Does anyone remember the New Testament verse where Jesus tells the gay people to all fuck off and that his followers should persecute them? All I remember is him clearly saying to 'love thy neighbors' a lot - pretty gay tbh.
I did read the bible many decades ago, can't remember any such verses - will admit it was a total snooze fest though, so I might've missed it or forgotten.
Wasn't there also that bit about "the Disciple that Jesus loved"?
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Their interpretation of the Bible is just as valid as anybody else’s.
Edit: Oof, I must have upset the hardcore Christians. Why else would you downvote this comment?
Correct. And that validity is “zero” or “none.”
It’s a book of fables that enables evil people to do evil. No need to comment back, you can’t change my mind on this.
I didn't downvote you, but no.. Not really. And people are probably downvoting you just because you're wrong.
Like if someone said their interpretation of the bible is 'that we should all trebuchet kittens at the sun during eclipses' they would be treated as idiots - because that claim has no backing.
Its a book full of fables, correspondence, parables, and accounts of history. It's not written to be highly interpretive - it's written to be proscriptive. That some people twist its wording for their own political or ideological interpretations is something that should always be called out - if they're claiming to be followers of Jesus and their core religious text contradicts them - that's ridiculous, and it's pathetic that a lot of people go along with it unchallenged.
P.s. not Christian BTW.
I think you and I are in agreement about the end result. Fact is, people can and do validate their shitty beliefs using the Bible all the time. Just because your opinion is that they are wrong doesn’t change reality.
When your foundation is built on fairy tales, anything goes.
You think it won't be women next? Then nonwhites? Then non-christians? Then the Final Solution?
We've seen this movie before.
You think it won’t be women next? Then nonwhites? Then non-christians? Then the Final Solution?
Last hired, first fired
... they use a similar logic. First we accept this lifestyle? Then we require it? Before you know it, we will depopulate ourselves into an extinction.
Here's what the article says:
Among its findings, the report targets a 2024 rule which required foster care providers who wanted to receive designated placement status for caring for LGBTQ+ children to receive training on the needs of LGBTQ+ youth, help queer kids access to age-appropriate healthcare resources, and “commit to establishing an environment that supports the child’s LGBTQI+ status or identity.
As impactful and significant as these programs seem, revoking them doesn't sound like a Holocaust in the making. Are gay children so different from straight children that their care requires a training program?
Such a long winded way to say "I'm an idiot" lol
It just seems like the policies being revoked are more virtue signaling than anything else. Both parties are virtue signalling. It's meaningless rhetoric; nothing was achieved.
You know what would be awesome for the gay community? Free healthcare, legal pot, a well-funded Social Security system. They benefit from the same things that benefit everyone else.
Debts higher than the GDP, better worry about how many genders there are. Conservative be dumb as rocks
its not the job of the government to obey Christian values. its the job of the government to protect its people, and if those people are gay, the government is OBLIGATED to make their life better like any other citizen.
In a class-based system like capitalism, the state (cops, courts, military, ICE, etc.) exists to maintain the rule of one class over another, in this case the capitalist class. American neo-liberalism has served the capitalists’ interests well for the last few decades, but it is no longer. They need to tighten their grip because they are losing ground economically (to China, specifically).
This is when you see every effort to divide (weaken) and repress the working masses. Minoritized people and leftists are the first to be repressed - they are easy targets because the capitalists and the media outlets spend billions propagandizing the working masses to turn against these groups. This is when you see right wing reaction - as we are seeing now, not just in the US, but in many of the capitalist countries that are allies with US imperialism. This is a cycle that keeps repeating in every capitalist crisis.
It is in the interests of the whole working class - internationally - to recognize this tactic used to divide the working masses (which will lead to even lower quality of life for all) and to instead stand up against this repression and to defend people on the receiving end of US Imperialist aggression, whether this be workers, minorities, and/or countries (Iran, Cuba, etc.).
Meanwhile, the sheep and the goats part just gets ignored
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
I'm sure they'll do some backflips to say "the brothers only mean people I like", but then there's the "who is my neighbor?" part.
29 But wanting to vindicate himself, he said to Yeshua, “Then who is my neighbor?”
30 Yeshua replied, “A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho. He was attacked by robbers, who stripped him and beat him. Then they left, abandoning him as half dead. 31 And by chance, a kohen was going down that road; but when he saw the man, he passed by on the opposite side. 32 Likewise a Levite also, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the opposite side. 33 But a Samaritan who was traveling came upon him; and when he noticed the man, he felt compassion. 34 He went up to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on olive oil and wine. Then setting him on his own animal, he brought him to a lodge for travelers and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[b] and gave them to the innkeeper, saying, ‘Take care of him. And whatever else you spend, upon my return I will repay you myself.’ 36 Which of these three seems to you a neighbor to the one attacked by robbers?”
37 And he said, “The one who showed mercy to him.”
Then Yeshua said to him, “Go, and you do the same.”
But they're not sincere, so the text doesn't matter.
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
-Leviticus 20:13
^ The only part of the bible they care about.
That one is really about having sex with kids. The wording was supposed to be "boys" not "men". It is saying to be a pedophile.
Romans also talks about homosexuality and why it is a sin
but we shouldnt KILL homosexual people like WHAT
They're foaming at the mouth with their hate, and they drool over the possibility of killing the gays. They want this back:

I hope they turn to Christ.
See, that's the thing. They think they are on Christ's side (or he's on their side). The Bible is the absolute word of God, so they think there's a divine mandate to kill the gays and, if the trinity thing means Jesus = God, the divine mandate from Christ is to kill the gays.
Also gay sex is icky to them, so there's an extra bit to justify killing the gays.
Honestly, I'm surprised that we haven't seen a Spanish-Inquisition on this yet, but I'm sure Republicans are working up to it.
Yet again, the side that screams FREEDOM only wants to take everyone else's away.
For them it’s “freedom to,” not “freedom from.” As in, free to exploit, free to abuse, free to dominate instead of freedom from exploiters, freedom from abusers, or freedom from domination.
For FREEDOM!(tm) they sure want to know what you've got and doing in your pants.
There's no hate as intense as christian love.
the DOJ doesnt represent the Catholic Church
So the pedophiles running America that are using Catholics as a cover are not associated with the Catholic Church which has a multi-century history of priests, bishops, and popes sticking their dicks into children... hmm... I don't quite believe you.
if someone uses me as a human shield, I do not become their ally
I just find the Catholic Church's whole "We don't support pedophiles" thing funny is a black humor kind of way... considering how often Catholics Priests have to be reminded to pull their dicks out of children. I remember reading the real history of Catholic leadership over the centuries (not the shit they teach in America schools)... it's horrifying and gross how many of the Catholic Church's leaders over the centuries have been pedophiles. And just read the news whenever another pedophile gets caught... it falls into the following categories with religious figures being the number one (and Catholics being a majority in that number one spot - with Protestants and Methodists being tied for second place, and Muslims and Hindus coming in 3rd and fourth): Law enforcement, politicians, corporations, teachers, doctors, men (in general), family members, and religious figures.
links articles proof
I'll list a few. I'm not your personal assistant. use your brain and your favorite search site... and stop listening to the brain rot claiming that all LBGTQ+ people are pedophiles (Ive only seen 3 articles about lgbtq+ pedophiles and those are major exceptions).
every study group focuses on a different thing and their data is skewed by their focus... but it does have a pattern. and yes I forgot about Buddhists and their large pedophile population.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/07/13/331166102/pope-reportedly-says-that-1-in-50-clergy-are-pedophiles -- this one is glaringly obvious
https://reporter.lcms.org/2015/most-child-molesters-religious/amp/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3995507/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/3-big-us-churches-in-turmoil-over-sex-abuse-lgbt-policy
Child abuse perpetrators by race U.S. 2023| Statista -- I found 8 different statistic sites that all had the same stats. so I chose one that didn't spam me. -- the world wide stats follow the same trend with very little variation.
https://bravehearts.org.au/research-lobbying/stats-facts/child-sex-offenders/
https://www.icrw.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Gender-Stat-Child-Sexual-Abuse-pdf.pdf
https://www.thesmartset.com/article05111001/
following the above link: -- these are the books cited in the last link above. they are both interesting reads from an analytical point of view. my old High School actually had a copy of Saints & sinners : a history of the popes before it got removed by religious parents complaining. so I got to read it when I was in 9th grade.
https://www.academia.edu/30917304/Vicars_of_Christ_The_Dark_Side_of_the_Papacy -- no need to pay. just say no thanks to all and you can still get the entire book.
https://archive.org/details/00book1593273669/page/n8/mode/1up -- Saints & sinners : a history of the popes -- this one I couldn't find a free pdf view of but I am sure you know a few legally grey sources for free books since the book is nearly $30.
edit: forgot a "fun" link. https://theweek.com/articles/495712/pope-benedict-pedophilia-scandal-timeline
edit 2: for the poor baby root. I did say I wasn't your fucking personal assistant and that you can do your own research. I linked the fun articles. and you missed the Pope saying that 1 in 50 Catholic Priests is a pedophile. there are roughly 400k priests recognized by the church. that's 8k priests raping children. and root here who blocked me cause he can't handle the fact that his priest is very likely to be a pedophile... ignores the fucking sources which have even more fun stats. but then again... he's got his head buried in the sand so deeply that if I didn't know any better... I would suspect that he's one of the 8000 pedophile priests.
2%
In one study, 93 percent of convicted sex offenders described themselves as “religious.” Perhaps surprisingly, many sexual predators consider churches as “safe havens,” Vieth said, with trusting, forgiving adults and easy access to children.
"Described themselves as religious" ≠ Ordained Catholic Priests
Protestants and Non Religious people are the majority in this study and Significantly more victims from Protestant institutions reported having current psychosocial problems.
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Contains nothing about the Church
Again, nothing about the Church
Nothing about the Church
this is about... doctors?
list of 10 bad people that WERE in the church at a certain historical point in time
The people that know this already know it and the people that don't do not give a single fuck.
Christians are assholes and morons
All religions are backwards and brain rot.
The "best" religious people are those that follow as little of the made up bullshit as possible.
Oh I agree. I just particularly dislike Christians.
Any religious fundamentals is basically a lunatic to me. Islamic Isis or the Christian Trump death cult, they are going to be the end of civilization if we don't stand up to them
Why?//cause America has fucking crazy ones.
First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
Anti-Christian is a good thing ... better yet, anti-religion.
I dunno. Buddhism seems to be doing well. The Dali Lama doesn't seem to advocate for this.
As an antitheist, I’m fine with religion, as long as it’s only ever inflicted upon those who have made an individual conscious, non-coercive choice to be subjected to its doctrine.
The moment it’s used to justify inflicting anything upon someone without their consent, it needs to be locked in an air-tight canister, with viewing windows, to serve as entertainment, and a warning to other vacuous ideologies.
How is it religion's fault for politics using it?
Politics couldn’t use religion in this way if it wasn’t normalised and tolerated to force it on those who don’t share their beliefs.
The evangelicals love their old testament violent stuff. They actually want the world to end, think the jews will help and that's why they support zionists.
The evangelicals love their old testament violent stuff.
They HATE so much that they want the world to end so the people they hate will get what they think is really coming to them.
They say religion is the opiate of the masses, but I'd argue it's more just the syringe. Hate is the opiate of the masses.
Anything except enthusiastic Christianity is “anti-Christian” to these people. Fuck them all.
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