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[–] 18 points 6 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I like to play a fun game whenever visiting a place that sells "handmade" jewelry: Open up aliexpress and see how long it takes to find the original supplier...

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    A friend sent me jewelry she found beautiful and almost every time I found the AliExpress listing. I don't know if she got tired of it or if she finally understood that those things were just dropshipping.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    Yes but that's a different activity.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I think the key point here is. sadly the glut of the world right now, plus AI video etc... Point is if you try and buy something "handmade" from the internet, You'll find a lot of mixed quality AI generated videos of people pretending to make the stuff, plus even if they didn't AI generate the video, they may have just gotten or filmed one person making something similar to what they dropship once. (you can probably tell once you get it, but you'll probably have to buy 5 counterfiets before you find a real one, unless you can physically walk to where they handmake it and see them make it.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    this is the turing test all over again: you can't actually tell whether it's handmade or made by a machine.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    When I was in art school a guest professor fussed (nicely) at me about this lol She said I clearly had skill but I was making everything too precise and people like art specifically because it looks handmade

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Robots can have hands. Checkmate

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Etsy begs to differ.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    You can, it's called lack of quality control.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Sweat shop's make handmade things. What is a machine?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Mass manufacturing has replaced handcrafting in pretty much every field. Its not economically vibable to handcraft when mass produced alternatives exist.

    Crochet is a craft that is not automated. You could probably build a crochet machine, but it would be incredibly complicated, expensive, and doing so would be slower than a human. Its not a viable craft to automate.

    There's a reason you don't see crochet clothes in stores. It takes dozens if not hundreds of hours to make a crochet garment. No one would spend thousands to pay me to handcraft a shirt over several weeks when they can buy a mass produced shirt for a fraction of the price at a store.

    Hand crafting is great, as a hobby, or an act of love. Its a terrible idea as a profession outside of very niche cases. Few can afford to spend 10-100 times more for something that is hand crafted when similar alternatives exist.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    Let's say that I start making hand made spoons in clay, and they become so popular that I no longer can keep up with the demand. I hire 10 other clay makers (I dunno if this is a term, but I guess you get it) and they learn to make these spoons like I do.

    That allows me to focus on increasing my catalogue of hand made clay objects and now I have 10 different items I can sell and the demand explodes, so now I have 50 people sitting making hand made clay forms, and then a machine is mass producing spoons and other items, but each item have 50 unique variants, initially designed by me, and then later 50 employees created a form for a machine to produce.

    Is it hand made or machine made? Technically it's machine made, but you'll most likely not meet another with an identical one.

    My apologies for this comment, I am extremely bored and in physical pain, so this happened... And it probably doesn't make any sense to anyone but me.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    It's a valid comment and a concept that is fussed about everywhere in hand craft circles. I do woodworking and I use a CNC machine sometimes. Woodworkers without a CNC say that's not woodworking but most who have one say it absolutely is woodworking, because you have to know what you need the wood to be, you have to know how to make the machine do it and you have to know what the limitations are, etc.

    I think the concept you're looking for is mass production or corporate owned production. To me, that's what differentiates. If a person in their garage is making something using a machine, it's a lot closer to someone using hand tools than a corporation buying or building machines to crank out things while paying others to operate the machines as cheaply as possible.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    At first I thought that of course it's still hand made (I still do) when using a CNC machine (never heard of CNC machines before, so had to read an article about it), and I thought that it's a completely different case than what I described, but is it?

    What I described was inspired by a Danish entrepreneur who got famous for making these small hand made ceramic flagpoles, each hand made and each varied a lot.. But she got some exposure in a Danish version of Dragons Den, and suddenly you could buy these ceramic flagpoles in every city. She no longer made the flagpoles herself, but she kept designing new products and taught her employees to make them like she did. They were at that point still hand made, but I think the definition gets a bit blurred, because when do something become mass produced?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    If a human made it, then it's handmade. Whether it's actually made by who is claimed to have made it is a separate question.

    I feel like only when you start involving things like 3D printing, laser cutting, or CNC milling does it enter that gray zone of whether it's made by a human or a machine.

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    [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Well yes but they obviously can and do pretend to be handmade. Worse yet they make AI videos of a person making a product, that looks similar to, and probably significantly better than the dropshipped mass produced crap that they actually ship out.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago*

    People can be fooled. I remember my stepmom that sold "homemade quilts" she told customers they were made by a sewing circle in Tennessee. But truth was they came from Korea and most likely hand made in a sweat shop. So I expect a lot of "homemade products" to be faked. Like the fucking bookmarks that my wife order from Facebook and turn out to be bullshit made in China. Example of this bullshit:

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago