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Proton Experimental now based on Proton 11 (github.com)
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[–] 7 points 6 months ago

Proton 11 is based on Wine 11.. Just saying.

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    [–] 71 points 10 months ago (32 children)

    By now you can safely assume that all games work with Linux. The very few exceptions that don't are those games that explicitly block Linux gamers.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    GRIS crashes on Proton in my experience. 😩

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Yeah I have been there to troubleshoot but no matter which one I try it crashes immediately or after a few minutes of gameplay.

    I am running Flatpak Steam, using Niri, streaming to a Steam Link. Might have something to do with it. I haven't yet tried local gameplay. Other games stream fine with the same setup though.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (23 children)

    Skyrim still does not work. Try pulling up the virtual keyboard on the Steam Deck while in the game.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    when you open skyrim, go to the mods section, hit left bumper when there to open the search. it will bring up the virtual keyboard.

    now just simply exit the menu and start the game. and the keyboard will work without crashing the game.

    its a workaround, but I'm used to doing it whenever I load up skyrim.

    enjoy! <3

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    That's a steam deck issue, not a Linux issue though. Skyrim works on Linux

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  • [+] -19 points 10 months ago* (11 children)

    You are incorrect, it is 100% a linux issue: Steam Deck runs Steam OS, which is an Arch linux flavor.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago*

    The virtual keyboard isn't used while gaming in regular desktop Linux. That is a steam issue, specifically a steamdeck issue since a regular desktop would use the physical keyboard to type in Skyrim.

    I know about the OS the deck is running and that it's an arch form, but it's not a Linux issue, it's a steam deck issue since non steamdeck desktop Linux pcs don't have that issue because they use a physical keyboard.

    What you are saying is like me saying that the inability to read Chinese is a human issue because I can't read it and in human. Naaah.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    That doesn't make it a Linux issue. It's an issue with some component that is in a Linux distribution, but it probably has nothing to do with the Linux operating system. It sounds like it's specifically some component of the Deck at fault, not a part of Linux.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    That's like pointing at an Android-based smart fridge, saying it doesn't run Skyrim, and saying it's a Linux issue, because android is based on Linux.

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  • [+] -7 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    If you want to play the semantics game, Android does not run a Linux kernel and is only based on it. Which makes it no longer Linux.

    Nice try.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    A patched and modified Linux kernel is still a Linux kernel

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  • [+] -5 points 10 months ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Your uneducated made-up definitions of what is Linux kernel or not don't change reality

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Then show me Arch or Debian booting with the Android kernel if you think so much that its still a Linux kernel. Don't worry, I'll wait

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Keep waiting, I won't indulge for your imaginary definition. The Linux kernel is not defined by whether or not it can run desktop or server distributions.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    What happens when you do that? And does doing that on windows work? Because it sounds like an incompatibility between the steam virtual keyboard and Skyrim.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Why are you bringing up Windows when we are talking about Proton?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Because you brought up a non-proton related issue. It's highly unlikely this is proton related, this is an issue on how the steam virtual keyboard and Skyrim interact, and since the keyboard doesn't cause issues on any other game I think it's very likely the culprit is Skyrim, and if that's the case I want to know if the issue also happens on Windows.

    Is it possible that the issue is within proton? Yes, but the problem you presented can be in multiple other places that proton can't touch. For example if the game crashes on windows too then proton is working correctly, and even if it doesn't it can still be something else besides proton, e.g. steam closing the keyboard in a different manner, Skyrim has had a famous bug where it crashes when you alt+tab away from it and come back on Windows for a long time, and opening a virtual keyboard on top of the game and going back is essentially alt+tabing, so I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this is the same bug in Skyrim showing up with a different face.

    PS: out of curiosity I went and loaded my old prisoner save, and named the character which is how many people reported the bug and it just worked, so even if this used to be an issue, doesn't seem like it is anymore.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    There's gotta be a nexus mod that handles the issue.

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    • [–] 20 points 10 months ago* (13 children)

    Chrono Trigger

    Wouldn't an emulator of either the snes or Playstation version work better than the PC port? 🤔

    Does the newer remaster even have anything worthwhile? I personally do not like the UI compared to the OG.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    And the OG SNES version has the best English translation. A hill I would gladly die on 😤

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Someone set up us the bomb

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Even if this is the worst way to play it, it's still worth them fixing whatever the issue was. It's not like it's exclusive to that game. Whatever it was doing that wasn't working as intended likely effects other games too. It was an issue with how Proton translated it, and the fix should apply to any other similar usage of whatever graphics library it was using.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    SNES in my opinion is the superior version. and having access to better saves is also appreciated cause some fights can get long.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I'm kinda curious what the technical differences are.

    I usually play the PS1 version just for the cutscenes because I don't notice any real differences that affect the gameplay. 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    I admit I tend to avoid ps1 emulation because it tends to look... tilted kinda? like the polygons seem to always be out of whack.

    but maybe its a bit smoother if it doesn't have to generate any 3d images or textures. I have not played the ps1 version so I am not entirely sure if it suffers from that or not.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Well it's a 2D game so the PS1's quirks of 3D rendering don't even apply.

    I know what you mean, tho. That unique look PS1 has because it didn't use floating point integers for the vertices, so whenever the camera moves, the models look like they are shifting/wiggling as vertices jump from point to point in the most unsmooth manner possible?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    I wouldn't play the PS1 port, because of the long losing loading times.
    I agree with that article though, that the best version to play is the DS port. The Steam release is okay, it's simply the easiest to buy nowadays.

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    • [–] [S] 15 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    call of duty is now removed from changelog https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/wiki/Changelog/_compare/e4e94568ea5df017a116a0947713e100eab5635b

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    When I read Call of duty cold war, I thought it was a typo, pretty sure the call of duty's post mw2019 run a rootkit anticheat that also happens to disable the games on linux in general. Maybe there's a workaround now and Activision lost it?

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    • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Sooo what's Warframe like on Proton/Linux then?

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It's run flawlessly for years. The devs are very supportive of Wine/Proton users, they've release bug fixes specifically aimed at Linux users before

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    • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    There's a PC version of Chrono Trigger? Huh, I guess I missed that news.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I heard it wasn't very good. Just a port of the mobile version with a lot of serious flaws. Better to emulate the SNES version.

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    [–] 11 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Proton 11 is based on Wine 11.. Just saying.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    And wine 11 is based on win11?(is it tho?)

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Not really, because WINE is a new implementation based on reverse engineering. Proton is based directly on WINE, as it is a fork and uses the code directly and modifies and adds stuff. Here is my try to visualize the difference:

    • Imagine you copy a text file, make changes to it and save it as a new file. Its based on the original text file. That is what Proton does with WINE.
    • WINE itself does not do that with Windows. Instead imagine you open a web browser, look at the website how it looks in your browser and try to guess what the HTML of the original source code might look like, based on how it appears on the browser. Then you test your code again and again, look if it behaves similar to the original output. So kinda this is what WINE does.
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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Oh man sorry I already know wine is reverse engineered stuff, but it still can be "based on" windows in a sense that you looked at windows to remake wine.

    My question was if that reference was win11 or older windows versions

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, from human language perspective, WINE can be "based on" Windows. I just wanted to clear this up in case a reader does not know or gets confused.

    Ah and now I picked up what your question was actually asking. You ask if WINE11 tries to replicate Windows 11 specifically? If that is the question, then no, it does not. WINE11 is just the current version number that happens to match the current version number of Windows 11. WINE11 includes all Windows compatibility layers from previous versions. I think that is how it works and I hope that I picked your actual question correctly.

    And yes, I just noticed that I sound robotic... Good lord, hope I'm not an Ai bot...

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