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[–] 201 points 6 months ago (5 children)

swap out those mechanicals windows for mechanical linux and then we'll talk

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  • [–] 36 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I am more of a hydraulic Linux person myself

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 77 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I agree when it comes to most "smart" home devices. However, I wired an ESP32 to my heat pump for remote control and automation, which has been absolutely fantastic. Also, I use a ton of ZigBee and zwave, since those are not "smart" by themselves and are local-only.

    It's the cloud bullshit that always breaks and spies on users that I hate.

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  • [–] 39 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Yeah home built and programmed smart devices are the way to go. I'm addicted to the rush of making dumb appliances automated.

    The smartphone controlled aircon for $150 extra? Slap a $4 Esp in that. $400 to get sleek control of your central heating? $4 Esp. Turn on the ice maker on the commute home? You guessed it, $4 Esp.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Where the hell are you getting 4 ESP. And no its not good for everything. I buy zwave switches and water sensors.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago*

    Not the previous poster.

    A simple ESP8266 module from AliExpress is less than $4 (an ESP12F module - which is the FCC certified one with most I/O ports available - is $2), can be programmed with Arduino, has WiFi and that is more than enough for wireless home automation peripherals that are not supposed to do lots of processing (it will still easilly fit a REST interface for automated control and even a web interface for user control alongside it).

    That said, in order to power it unless you can somehow draw 3.3v from the device it's attached to, you actually need more parts and that'll add up to more than $4 unless you're doing it with batteries (and design and assemble your own voltage regulator circuit which is not that hard and is cheap, or maybe get a slightly more expensive ESP module that comes with voltage regulation) - this works fine if your device sleeps most of the time and just wakes up once in a while to check some data from a server holding instructions for it. For an always one device, best IMHO to use a 3.3V wall power adaptor, which will cost at least $6 from AliExpress.

    The power considerations apply exactly the same for ESP32s.

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  • [–] 114 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    In Spanish, we have a saying: "En casa de herrero, cuchara de palo".
    A rough translation would be "in the blacksmith's house you'll find wood spoons". It's not a new thing, it's been like that since ancient times.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah but I doubt that saying has ever been used to mean the blacksmith thinks metal spoons are bad. Right?

    It's worth sharing but this post is more about the software engineer knows how much shit is spying on you.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That ks for sharing this, this is fascinating.

    Maybe the underlying rule is: the more you know about something, the more you are aware of its flaws, making the alternatives you know less about more attractive?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I think there are definitely different applications of the phrase and different versions of it.

    As someone that does a "traditional" trade. I do work in leathercraft. My friends and family all have nice pieces I've made them. I've literally yet to make myself more than a belt. And it's just a piece I didn't like enough when it was done. So I remade another for the person I meant to give it to.

    Not that I wouldn't like a nice piece for myself. But, it's just a lot more fun to make something for someone else.

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  • [–] 44 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    Tech here. Lots of smart home crap. All zigbee on Home Assistant

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  • [–] 40 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    The fact these companies can release a $200 router or a $1000 smartphone and completely stop all security updates after only a few years is insane.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    It should be regulated similar to how cars are regulated - with mandatory service and spare parts for many years.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Cars aren't exactly a good example on how to curb enshittification, as the car industry pioneered enshittification and found a way around regulations every time so far.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    While that might be so, I can still buy original spare parts for my 25 years old car and I could still service it at official repair shop if I wanted to.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The "official repair shop" isn't the issue.

    It would be third party repair shops. And amazingly you can.

    Right to repair has done some good in this world

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Sure, I can also drive it to any repair shop where they can buy repair parts and replace them or do whatever it takes to repair it. I can even replace the light bulbs myself, though thus part is not trivial :S

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I always loved the saying, "The 'S' in IoT stands for security."

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    As plenty people already said here, I don't see any problems if it's staying in your local network, selfhosted

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Perhaps not the best example but one to start joggin' the noggin: it can be a weak point to start an attack your local network, if someone is adjacent (like standing in range of your WiFi). Obviously not a likely scenario to most people reading, especially since HTTPS became normalised, but a reason to keep security in the discussion for local home networks.

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  • [–] 96 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (22 children)

    Homeassistant is cool though. Also most of my stuff would work without it, they just works better with it.

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  • [–] 54 points 6 months ago* (21 children)

    None of the devices I bought for it talk to the internet! Home assistant can control and even update the Shellys completely over the local network.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (2 children)
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    Any suggestions for someone tech savvy enough to run a proxmox server for a handful of services, to get started with home assistant?

    Can you replicate something like a Google home with voice commands?

    I may or may not be getting a new house soon. I'm good with electrical to replace switches with wireless ones. But what do you get? Where do you start and where do you end? What about the WAF?

    I saw LTT did smart switches in his house and it was a mess of incompatibilities.

    Any good resources? I don't even know what I don't know haha

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Look into ZWave and ZigBee mesh networks. I run Home Assistant with a couple hundred devices and integrations. ZWave tends to be my hardwired switches, and ZigBee tends to be my battery operated motion sensors, remotes, etc.

    Personally, I run Home Assistant on its native HAOS on a raspberry Pi. In addition to Home Assistant, I have lots of automations running in Node Red, a no/low code orchestration addon.

    For voice control, I’m playing with the Atom Echo.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Couple hundred?! Are most of those lights or something? Forgive me I’m totally ignorant about home automation.

    Is it a hobby to you or have you found significant time/energy savings? Or both?

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Part hobby, part time and energy savings. One thing I love about Home Assistant is the integrations with so many devices and services. I have smart switches., remotes, smart plugs, energy monitors, RGB bulbs, thermometers, etc.

    It’s a slippery slope of wanting to integrate absolutely everything! My doorbell, alarm system, thermostats, garage door, door locks, and so on.

    Many are local “smart devices” using ZWave and ZigBee, and others are cloud integrations with other services.

    I’ve gotten to a point where the Home Automation routines I rely on are so useful that I get annoyed if I ever have to do things “manually”.

    Couple examples:

    1. I have a remote by my bed that, when the goodnight button is pressed, turns off all the lights, sets the HVAC back to programmed mode, puts our computers to sleep, arms the alarm, locks the doors, and closes curtains.

    2. I have a button by my garage door that sets an “auto arm” toggle that opens the garage door, unlocks the door to the garage and the waits for me to close the garage, at which point it arms the alarm, turns off the lights, locks my computers, turns off the HVAC, closes curtains, locks doors, etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    HAOS literally has a proxmox iso for home assistant. Slap that baby on.

    There are homebrew voice units, but you'll need a beefier system than normal to process in house. If you have apple devices you can expose certain elements from HA to apple home (and keep others obscured) to use your watch / voice etc.

    There are a lot of home assistant communities and they are all very very friendly. It's a massive learning curve and we're all working together

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Define beefy? Like 8 to 12gb vram? Or will an old 970 do the trick?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    I've been looking for some smart outlets, and it seems impossible to discover which ones can be used with normal well-known protocols and which can only be used through a phone app locked into a cloud service.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Z-Wave & Zigbee devices.

    My favorites are made by Aeotec & Zooz.

    Local control, most use very little power and can either be plugged in or use a 1-3yr battery you swap out sparingly, and they communicate on a separate set of channels from your internet at low-latency so they don’t eat up internet bandwidth.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    So, if I'm reading things right, anything that runs on Z-Wave or Zigbee will necessarily run locally, because those are mesh protocols?

    Anyway, thanks a lot. Those are really simple keywords to check.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago*

    Yep.

    My favorite smart outlet switch though was recently sold out and it’s an Aeotec smart switch 7. Zooz makes something similar though I think.

    I’ve got it set up on Home Assistant so that whenever certain devices in my home are detected on or off via watt usage minimum changes I monitor on those smart switches, it toggles the Lutron Caseta (best smart light control there is) lights via commands for different rooms in my house.

    I also have things like waterproof outdoor gate sensors made by Zooz that are smaller than a single stick of gum where the small flat watch battery in it lasts for almost a year and it will alert me when the gate opens or closes, but only when I’m a certain distance away from the house’s geofence I’ve set up.

    You will also need an overall little USB stick to connect to your Home Assistant server device (like a NAS or Raspberry Pi) to control everything, but there’s one that’s made by Aeotec that does both Zigbee and Z-wave long range protocols. Z-Wave LR (long range) works really far too… like I think around a mile potentially, if you have a nice clear line of sight signal.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Check out the new IKEA Matter over Thread stuff. They have two smart plugs (an indoor single plug and an outdoor double plug). You can flash one of the esp-idf example images to an ESP32-C6 and plug it into your HA server to turn it into a Thread Border Router for under $10. Everything on Thread uses a fully local encrypted mesh network that by default has no Internet access (leave NAT64 turned off in the HA border router add-on).

    P.S.: Make sure to update the firmware on the devices (which HA can do), as several don't act as routing end devices until after the first upgrade.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Zigbee.

    You will need an antenna /hub though. I use a sky connect antennae, it's all locked into my house.

    If you have to go wifi, tplink /tapo literally have a "local only" mode when you firewall them out. The only issue is they warn you you can't operate them unless you're connected to your home wifi. Which is rather the point.

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  • [–] 67 points 6 months ago (2 children)
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    Home Assistant is a free and open source alternative for home automation. Don't have to completely give up the future.

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  • [–] 52 points 6 months ago (20 children)

    "no smart home crap" Yeah... That's just a choice. I have two homegrown smarthome solutions that are amazing and complex without creating security holes.

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  • [–] 47 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    You can tell it’s an IT guy’s home assistant if there’s no hardware that requires someone else’s cloud.

    My home automation philosophy is that everything in the house should work with or without internet. It’s going well so far.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'll add that things should also fail gracefully. If something breaks, they should all revert back to working like the dumb equivalent. Dumb switches, dumb thermostat, etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    For sure. That one is a bit harder to get right, but is good to keep testing and striving for.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    My home assistant is set up that way. If I turn it all off, the house is a little less awesome, but everythiing works fine. You just have to turn on/off lights and open/close doors yourself now. you'll have to diddle with the thermostat and ceiling fans more too.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Good recommendation for light bulbs?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Like the other user mentioned: depends on your setup.

    I have recessed lighting throughout my house, so swapping to bulbs for all of them would have been an expensive pain. So I opted for smart switches. I got innovelli reds, because they were the best there was at the time. You can get them with any protocol you want (zigbee/zwave/wifi)

    With a smart switch, you can control lots of lights with only one device. Originally I just added Shelly relays behind each switch, but I wanted the dimming capability of the innoveli.

    If you do still want bulbs, nothing beats hue. But they are by far the most expensive.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    As an alternative, we have found bulbs that can run tasmota with the MQTT integration to be perhaps the most reliable part of our smart home (as long as the hardware already had a descent CRI). I've heard good things about ESP home too, but we have not tried it.

    If someone has some light bulbs that are laggy (due to cloud integrations) or a pain to use due to software, its worth checking out of tasmota or esp home can be installed on them to locally pair with something like home assistant. It turned a regretful purchase into a nice addition.

    With that said, we don't buy connected devices any longer without checking internet and cloud requirements first.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Tasmota is awesome. I flashed all my early Shelly devices with it. But now the native Shelly firmware is amazing, and it allows you to turn on local mqtt only. So I’ve stopped using Tasmota for everything besides the few devices flashed early and behind my wall switches. (I’m too lazy to pull them out)

    Is it hard to flash bulbs with Tasmota? Don’t you usually need access to the pins? Or have an OTA option for updating the firmware?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    The ones I had you could do it over the air, but some do require access to the pins. Even with soldering experience it is not approachable as bulbs are not packaged to be opened, it is part of why I check for offline or flash compatibility before buying as even the same "model" could have different hardware revisions. No info = avoid.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    It depends on the rest of your setup, but I recommend going with zigbee or matter/thread for the connectivity. I definitely wouldn't put any "smart" devices on my general purpose wifi. That stuff is never going to be secure. Also, consider if smart switches would work for you instead. That way you don't have to pay the premium when a bulb burns out.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Yeah I'm stuck between those two options however it's for much later down the road in my case. House needs a renovation but finances don't allow just yet.

    I have a mix of TP Link wifi globes, IKEA ZigBee and Hue Zigbee throughout the house. Zigbee are controlled by a SLZB 06 and ZHA / MQTT. By far the Hue are the best I've tested and have been in service for around 10 years.

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago

    The more you understand tech, the more you trust the simplest version of it 😅

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Having worked in IT for 17 years. I don't trust any MFer that uses their IT experience as a reason to do something.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I will trust people using their IT experience as a reason to avoid something, though

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Not all of us will do it to the same degree though. IT security has always been a sliding scale between security and convenience. The most secure data is stored in a locked safe without being turned on or connected to anything. That's not very practical, so we make concessions based on how often we need such data and other convenience metrics.

    I'm not as paranoid as the OP, though I agree with some of the stuff said. Reasonable security measures are fine; you don't need to look like a digital version of a prepper with a bunker, for most people.

    Edit: for instance I don't use my TV all that much, but it is a "smart" TV, meaning it has apps that connect to Internet, and I have some online libraries.

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