Hannity thinks he (and Trump) knows more about how the Bible should be read and interpreted than the Pope?.......
Do these people even hear themselves?
Hannity thinks he (and Trump) knows more about how the Bible should be read and interpreted than the Pope?.......
Do these people even hear themselves?
Be kind to others
-Bible, New Testament's teachings of Jesus
Being kind to others is evil, and it's not what Jesus would have stood for!
-Republicans
Reminder: be kind to others
-Pope
The Pope is a libtard.
-Faux News
^My basic understanding of whats going on.
Ex-cultist here. Specifically, fundamentalist Christian in the US.
So what we're seeing here is a division between in-groups and out-groups, and drawing that circle closer as a means of guarding against valid criticism. Consider; the standard response of most cults when they are under attack is to double down on its assertions that it is telling the truth. Most cults are built with a persecution complex as key part of exploiting their believers.
This tactic triggers their emotional response to rally to the defense of their cause, because "We're under attack! We're being hunted! The Worst Thing Possible is going to happen, and it is THIS PERSECUTOR'S fault!" This also forces a false choice in members who are doubting the leadership, forcing them to either cut all social ties and side with the enemy (they are trained to see this as a fate worse than death) or rehearse their dogma and rally without question.

^My basic understanding of whats going on.
Be kind to others -Bible
It also says "kill others", you should read it. LOTS of instructions on killing
There are many reasons not to be murderous, the Bible isn't one of them. Does it say "do not murder?" YES. Does it also say "murder". YES. Many times. Throughout.
Lmao I love how folks are telling the VOICE OF GOD ON EARTH that he's wrong.
(I'm an atheist and don't believe it, but this whole situation is hilarious.)
Catholics are not real "Christians". So they dont believe in the Pope's position or respect the Pope.
I cannot fathom telling a guy who has dedicated his life to the church though that he doesn't understand the bible. Then again that is the republican MO, if you think you know better than an expert clearly you do.
I'm going to be pedantic, but it's the exact opposite of what you wrote. Catholics are a branch of Christians, who give more importance to the role of saints and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, among other differences.
So you should actually argue that they are not really Catholics, if they don't recognize the authority of the Pope.
I had to read their comment a few times, but I think when they said "they," they were referring to people like Hannity.
Catholics are not real “Christians”. So they dont believe in the Pope’s position or respect the Pope.
Like "according to people like Hannity, Catholics are not real Christians. Therefore, people like Hannity don't believe in the Pope's position or respect the Pope"
Definitely a strange way to word it.
Catholics aren't a "branch" of Christians, they are the tree itself. The first church, they dominated for many centuries, and still do, as this discourse proves; the Pope and church remain very influential
I mean the catholics have shaped all Christianity.
No they haven't, not even all chalcedonian Christianity.
Yes they have, they dominated for many centuries, and are still the largest denomination.
Being the largest denomination does not mean they shaped all Christianity. In fact Christianity was shaped before the Catholics split, in the middle east and Asia Minor with Rome being a fringe player.
Their later innovations were mostly left unadopted by the other half of the church and also caused a new split resulting in major intra-Christian religious wars. In fact since Catholics are merely a plurality and not a majority most Christians reject, frankly an understatement, the defining characteristic of Catholicism, papal infallibility.
The pope does understand the Bible, and he knows damn well that he's misrepresenting it. That's his job (and always has been).
Read the Bible, see for yourself. If you are short on time, just read Revelation (the last book).
p.s. my most hated comment ever! THANK YOU fuck the pope
Agreed.
I mean, it's my favorite book of the Bible. But it's the most easily misunderstood and misinterpreted. The whole thing is an allegory written in a particular kind of prose, drawing on tropes common to a genre of writing scholars call "apocalypse." But given that even lifelong Christians are unaware of this fact means that this is definitely not the book to recommend reading as an entry point. Unless you're looking for inspiration for something to airbrush on the side of your bitchin' van (hopefully one with a crescent moon bubble window on the back). Then by all means flip to the section right before the maps and get to sketching!
ABSOLUTELY. I love the book of Revelation, but too many don't understand how to read apocalyptic literature, nor do they understand the source material to contextualize the heavy symbolism. I blame a ton of the dumbshit premillenial dispensationalism crudely hobbled together to resemble a form of eschatology on a poor understanding of Revelation, Dallas Theological Seminary for spreading the fuck out of it, and Schofield for being the dipass to keep it from remaining the obscure hallucinogenic ramblings of a (probably) sick pentecostal woman in England. Man there are so many cool things about the theology of hope and some strong influences of Stoic philosophy(again), but man does American theology love to fetishize about the unbelievers facing a gruesome divine genocide...
Reading that book without the context of other books of the bible and like Paul’s writing in particular is just plain stupid.
Knowing the context makes it worse in my opinion, but you do you.
You know what's really stupid? Thinking Jesus is a beacon of peace, He's horrifying. If you can't handle Him murdering everybody in a rage, you can't get through the Bible anyway.
This is a pretty silly take. Look, I'm an atheist myself and I'm someone who is of the opinion that religion has been a net negative for humanity, but I also know pretty well what I'm talking about when it comes to Christian theology, eschatology, and biblical principles, and I can tell you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to this subject. There's plenty to be critical of the Bible about, but you haven't really hit any of the points at all. If you don't know the subject very well, you probably shouldn't form such strong opinions on it.
You saying it's a silly take is ignorant and misinformed.
I know what I'm talking about too, with over a decade of Christian education from three denominations and many years of Bible studies besides. Your education was apparently shit, I hope you didn't pay for it!
Perhaps you should study some more so you can catch up with me?
Jesus will murder everyone who won't submit to Him on His return. This is a FACT, no opinion involved... according to the Bible, anyway.
I can't help but notice you went straight to ad hominem and didn't engage with any argument. It seems as though you more so just want to be angry than anything else. Where I can definitely personally sympathize with what appears to be a strong anger toward Christianity/Christians, it's pretty counterproductive to lash out because of it. What good is it to do so when it only perpetuates your own anger and serves to cause Christians to double down on confirmation bias? Making sweeping generalizations about Christianity would only serve to put Christians on the defensive and make them extremely unreceptive. What good is that other than causing more discord and anger?
Careful, or Pestilence will ride you down like a mangy dog, or something
It's the only "cool" book the rest is boring nonsense.
The only people I have ever heard qout revelations, are nutters, and people trying to get money. It reads like biblical fanfic.
You've gone hysterical... it is the dumbest book, and that's why I recommend it.
Yes, please, read the apocalyptic fever dream of a crazy man as proof that god exists. I'm totally convinced!
Why should anyone care what the bible says?
bro, I am muslim so I have no idea how christian values work but even I can see this is heresy to an unbelievable degree. Your president calls himself the second Jesus, you cannot defend him against any religious person at that point, let alone the Pope.
Where I'm at the Christians have mostly completely lost the plot. There's this complete perversion of the faith called Prosperity Gospel that basically believes money is proof of divine blessing. So being rich is proof you're in Gods favor.
Also where I am there's is non-0 number of Christians who legitimately believe we/someone needs to rebuild ancient buildings in the middle east so Jesus can return.
It's a death cult that believes money is proof that God approves of you. While simultaneously believing unending war/genocide in the middle east is a necessary evil. So they can just shrug their shoulders while people are slaughtered and say "God works in mysterious ways!"
Send help.
Send help.
This is a mess of America's making.
You're going to have to fix it yourselves.
(Unless it gets so bad that you guys are an existential threat to the rest of the planet - then the rest of the world might be forced to take action that nobody wants)
Actually, for a fascist it's very easy. When words dont really mean anything and your ideology demands no consistency you can say what you want and defend the indefensible. If you think that rational people would see through all that you're right, but their followers arent. They've been trained for over forty years to be led by the nose by their media peer group. Be it conservative news or Facebook posts or green text or their local evangelical demigogue, whatever it is they will be told what they want to hear. Trump is right, and by extention they are right too. And to question it is to put at risk all the relationships they've built up over their lifetime. To be wrong is too risky, so they simply arent. And people like Sean Hannity can say whatever they want without question.
suggesting he and others at the Vatican had totally lost sight of the true meaning of the bible
The parts of the bible he is talking about:
'King David had 500 concubines, for crying out loud'
(him defending Trump in 2016, according to Wikipedia)
So this is how they justify pedophiles
And the part of the Bible he was talking about isn't even in the Bible. It says David had concubines, but it doesn't say how many.
It does tell us that Solomon had 300 concubines (in addition to 700 wives). Solomon expanded on his father's excesses, so David probably had a more modest number of women in his household.
I'm sure Fox personalities wouldn't really care that atheists know more about the Bible than they do. My money is on most of them not actually believing anything they say on TV. (Remember those text messages about Trump?)
Am I wrong, or is the thing the Pope said that has these freaks so upset basically like, "war is bad, don't do it"?
I mean for fuck sake...
What gets me is that the Pope is just saying pretty basic Christian teachings. Simply the kinds of stuff Jesus says in the Sermon on the Mount. And the media is like "LOOK HE'S ATTACKING TRUMP!" The fact that he doesn't really specify the USA or anything says a lot about the state of things, where the basic Gospel of Jesus Christ is seen as inherently confrontational to the MAGA agenda.
These people would be so funny, if they weren't so dangerous.
Kinda like chimps, they're funny at the zoo, but give them machine guns
hell Chimps are scary without them. Have you read the recent story about the massive chimp civil war going on?
Obviously it'd be dangerous regardless but it got me thinking....does a chimp have the fine motor control to operate a firearm?
If there's ever been a finer time to fuck around and find out I wouldn't know... Being European, getting access to enough guns for a proper study is impossible for me. Of course we can just throw a single gun into a single enclosure, but that wouldn't produce reliable results. But if somebody living in a place with laxer gun laws would get on board, I'd let them get their name on the article as number two and not et al.
Oh, that sounds fun. Sounds like something the RNC would love for the conventions. Go to support the 2nd amendment afterall.
Made me think of wolves and sheep.
As an atheist, this is high popcorn season 🍿 And just when you think, US Americans can not behave more brainless, they start a feud with the pope. Is there anyone left they haven't pissed off?
Who is Hannity?
Why does this matter? - because it shows that Hannity doesn't matter. Any more than the 12 of us in this thread. - He is alive and has a mouth, are his accomplishments and skills, Yet his thoughts and opinions are played across the loudspeakers of the camp.
Why does this matter? - because it shows that Hannity doesn’t matter
While I understand what you're saying, Hannity absolutely matters because millions of people listen to his bullshit. His past doesn't matter as he is a powerful propagandist now.
True meaning being what? Might is right? Greed is good? Racism is super cool? Ignorance is knowledge?
More like War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength.
3One of the heads of the beast appeared to have been mortally wounded. But the mortal wound was healed, and the whole world marveled and followed the beast. 4They worshiped the dragon who had given authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can wage war against it?”
5The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words, and authority to act for 42 months. 6And the beast opened its mouth to speak blasphemies against God and to slander His name and His tabernacle—those who dwell in heaven.
7Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.
- Book of Revelations chapter 13, verse 3-7
Now, I'm not saying that Saint John received divine inspiration. I'm saying that the well-known and well-funded US-based Christian death cult that wants to make the Rapture happen as soon as possible by meeting the conditions of the End Times might be happy to see things going according to (their reading of the) plan.
Humans haven't changed in thousands of years. The author had likely met enough narcissistic assholes in his time that he knew how they operated, and wanted to warn us against them. Scholars think the book was originally about Emperor Nero, and it kind of makes sense it all applies to Trump.
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