So, OS-level age-gating is going federal, which will effectively kill your rights to device ownership and what's left of free speech and expression.

Enjoy your free speech while you still have it because this is a clear attempt to erase that right.

SOPA never died, it just went into hiding until time to reemerge, and now's that time, this is basically SOPA in a save the kids trenchcoat.

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[–] 135 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (15 children)

They can’t even arrest the pedophiles in government but they want to mass surveil us for everything.

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    The rules have always been for us, not for them.

    The police are enforcers for the elites, they don't stop crime, they extract fines from people and provide a deterrent to anyone standing up for themselves.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    I know but we outnumber them a million to one so we don’t actually have to put up with this

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago* (7 children)

    With what organization? The left is too busy with shit like tone policing for any cohesive narrative to take root.

    Turns out when your brain is filled with no-no words that effectively act as thought terminating cliches you end up being unable to effectively communicate with people you disagree with. Crazy how the far right simply does not have this problem, no? Granted they aren't really for 'discussion' or 'debate' or 'deliberation' in the same way leftists are, and their thought terminating cliches are much worse; climate change being one of the big ones.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    US left is way too disorganized, but this isn't because of """tone policing""" (no you cannot say slurs) or debating the specifics of ideals (of course the right doesn't do this, they have no ideals, don't copy the child rapists).

    It's because of, among other things, a decades-long operation to systemically crack communities, down to there being basically no infrastructure to even meet up at except the library or church, and also to keep everyone so exhausted and distracted they don't bother trying.

    Solving problem #1 is harder but problem #2 involves communicating with people locally who you can actually work with (marginalized groups aren't going to work with violent bigots, if this annoys you, talk to the bigots yourself) and joining local orgs to meet needs – rent/utilities assistance, building community toolboxes and fridges, generally moving people away from "barely surviving" so they can actually develop an interest in leftist ideals

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    There is absolutely hyper-fixation on identity politics over material conditions. This has been an intentional project to move the realm of political discourse and conflict to the immaterial.

    Yes, not being a bigoted asshole matters, but also it's a wedge issue that absolutely moves otherwise poor, oppressed people away from solidarity. I don't know how you bridge the problem, but as long as those people are on the other side, that's a problem, and you ignore it at your peril.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    Yeah I have no issue with not saying slurs (and saying I can't say slurs is fucking dumb, I choose not to because I understand why I shouldn't — not because trogs on their high horses tell me no), my problem is that you took the phrase 'shit like tone policing' and immediately assumed this must be the singular problem I have with how the left communicates. Thus spurring on an entire comment on why the left doesn't communicate with the right.

    I'm not suggesting the left communicate with the right, at all. I'm suggesting the left needs to learn how to communicate amongst itself because things like no no words end up functioning as thought terminating cliches — see your entire comment for reference.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I understand what you're saying, but this is an issue that mostly exists between (don't like this term much but can't think of a better one) extremely terminally-online leftists who do not organize.

    Going offline, this is generally just not an issue, the orgs filled with people who just argue over theory also don't do much and shouldn't be listened to. It's a large movement and there are bound to be people who are unfortunately less effective.

    I didn't bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it's not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don't like anymore (which isn't an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I didn't bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it's not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don't like anymore (which isn't an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)

    Please don't get me wrong, my motivations were not 'both sides' or something along those lines. Maybe not obviously, but it's clear to me that we both believe the side bringing measles back is the wrong one.

    My problem is that these terminally online leftist spaces end up being the narrative sent to (or experienced by) the brainwashed masses on the right. Simply not engaging with an online space is ineffective when trying to combat their manipulation of word of mouth messaging.

    I'm not trying to argue for the right to say slurs. Unless they're directed at conservatives, then I'm conflicted.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Ah okay, we have different priorities that I didn't initially consider, my bad. I personally no longer think it's worth bothering trying to manage the right's views. However, I do organizing in youth (~18-24) spaces and see a lot of people saying what boils down to "I want to organize, but keep to myself because what if I say something wrong and get canceled?" and it frustrates me since they regularly quote the phrase "tone policing" as they say it. It's probably like a sleeper activation phrase to me at this point and I got annoyed.

    There needs to be a diversity of tactics, so even though I won't do it, I hope you and yours can successfully stop more people from falling into this trap.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    I think I should try to be less provocative with my words. Stomping into a conversation with loaded language is not the best way to get my points across, thank you for your demeanor.

    It's probably like a sleeper activation phrase to me at this point and I got annoyed.

    I'm sorry, I specifically choose terms like this to set people off. I want them to figure out what actually triggers them about how I'm using the phrase and whether or not it's valid.

    I would just like us all to be a little more aware about the whats and whys surrounding things we get emotional about. Otherwise our emotions will inevitably be used against us, directly or indirectly.

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  • [–] 113 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    "Parents Decide Act"

    Yet text of it has basically nothing about parents in it, just government data collection lol

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  • [–] 83 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    If this thread is any indication, we’re cooked. If this many people are willing to give the government the benefit of the doubt, after what we’re dealing with…

    This will not be benign, it will seem innocent at first, but we’ll have given up yet another seemingly simple thing that will eventually be used against us.

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago

    evidently Palantir wasn't able to use all available data and a few glaciers to find out who was saying mean things about Important People With Money. This oughta fill in those gaps.

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  • [–] 79 points 6 months ago

    https://5calls.org/

    Tell your reps that this bill doesn't get a chance to breathe if they ever want your support in future elections.

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  • [–] 158 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    And written by a Democrat. They really have become useless. First they regularly forget that they are opposition for a reason, and now they even betray their voters with the most stupid law humans can cook up.

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    And written by a Democrat.

    They are literally never your ally. A lot of us refuse to accept that we have 2 parties that don't give one solitary fuck about us because it means we have no say whatsoever in our government, but Democrats prove time and time again that this is the case.

    The most we get are a handful of "representatives" that somehow managed to beat AIPAC and all the corporate interests that buy the rest of them, but that handful isn't enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    but that handful isn't enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(

    Yes. They're allowing the planet to boil to avoid briefly inconveniencing idiot billionaires who believe they will science magic their way to Mars to escape.

    We don't need any more evidence that they're worthless traitors to humanity. =/

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  • [–] 56 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Motherfuckers want this so they can more easily find kiddies to groom and rape.

    Start selling the narrative folks, this is not gonna be a clean war

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  • [–] 50 points 6 months ago (4 children)
    1. This bill is being pushed by Meta and they are NOT going to stop with age verification. It is not about "protecting children" and it never has been. It's always been about surveillance and control. Meta wants to know who you are, where you are, what you buy, what you download, who you associate with and what your politics are.

    2. If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago*

    Meta is pushing this because their platforms are overrun by bots. Ironically because partly of the AI tools they have created. And advertisers have caught up and aren’t willing to pay top dollars anymore on Meta’s platforms. Hence why Meta desperately wants a way to proof that their traffic comes from real people.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.

    I think this is not an accident.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    They also benefit from it as it impacts OS providers like Apple and Google. These companies need to contend with privacy flaws and supporting them on their devices, spending resources on that, while Meta just uses the OS API to "verify" user age pretending they care about children. Profit.

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  • [–] 144 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Or a parent could, I don't know, just parent their own kids instead of expecting the government to.

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  • [–] 42 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    I got so many downvotes last time I suggested this, it was just comical to me how many people get pissed at the implication that they aren't watching their kids, while not watching their kids.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I wonder how much of the down voting stems from people seeing "let me parent my own kids" as being tied to conservative propaganda used to support anti-woke bills in places like Florida.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I haven't a clue.

    The context of when I posted it was on a comic about "I'd do anything for my kids except listen to them talk about what they enjoy".

    How else are you supposed to figure what kind of stupid nonsense they're getting up to. Anytime I see my kids focused on almost anything I'll ask "what're you working on?"

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    Abolish the 2 party system while you're at it.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That would be a huge ask, figuring that out for the American political system would be amazing.

    Change the electoral system from first past the post to one of the saner alternatives (preferably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote) and the rest will follow on its own.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago*

    Problem is, what reason do Democrats or Republicans have to change it? As far as I can see they love trading back every term or two which means any electoral change will require tearing both parties down. Or could you start with states / towns first? I don't know enough about US voting.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    The thing is, this horseshit is only happening because adults have let computers - more specifically, iPads and phones - become their children's babysitters.

    Have you seen any of the "iPad Kids" videos?

    Holy shit, what fucking irresponsible parents.

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  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    this horseshit is only happening because adults have let computers - more specifically, iPads and phones - become their children’s babysitters.

    This horseshit is only happening because Meta is lobbying hard for it and throwing tons of money at it, because they want 'protecting children' to be the OS's responsibility, not the website's.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    No this is being pushed by Meta. Fuck zuck.

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  • [–] 45 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    "and for other purposes" umm

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I was reading a list of bills and whatnot from March the other day. They all say "and for other purposes" they all say that

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    This one literally just tacks it at the end of the proposal. As it gives no purposes other than "and for other"

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    yeah, I was following up on a bill introduced by one of me senators and was poking around this website https://www.govtrack.us/

    I dont know why, but every bill has this phrase written at the end of it. It is ominous, and I dont know why theyre written this way, probablt some legal bullshit.

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  • [–] 65 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    To paraphrase someone:

    You need to win every time. I need you to lose only once.

    Anyone thinking that this won't pass this time, or next year, or the year after that or the year... They will push this as a new thing, wrapping the same bullshit lies in a new paper each time...

    Eventually it'll pass, it always does. All they need is patience

    The only possible cou ter to this is to enshrine the right to own a computer and internet access into your constitution or something like that.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago

    we're due for a modern re-framing on rights and personal autonomy.

    but we might need to design it fully as local coops and roll over the epstein-class in order to get it enshrined.

    if you let them change it, they'll, (as obtusely as possible,) re-phrase everything to not actually accomplish what it was supposed to.

    we need big changes, and we need them yesterday, because the future is here and it's fucking us all up. the only people with the time and social placement to affect change are the ones that have been coddled into that position through either nepotism or corporate interest. yadda.

    still need voter reform... hopefully the next people voted in specifically on voter reform don't just go "oops actually we weren't for that at all, hee hee." (canadian liberal party are also just the backup conservatives i guess)

    and my god, there should be some accountability for directly lying to and misleading the voter base. the number of USA politicians i see that can't answer a fucking question is embarrassing to anyone thinking they don't live in a fascist state.

    like, those promises, or statements, or blatant intentional incompetence should come with some form of accountability. if i fuck up too many lattes i have to live on the street, but politicians can laugh in your face after doing fuckall and taking your money.

    generally anyone willing to take a position of power to hugely affect all of our lives and well being should be scared shitless for betraying their voters so blatantly.

    more than anything we just need a whole new damned system which is built on modern science and not hundred years ancient aristocracy. it is possible. the only reason it doesn't seem feasible is that the people with power and influence have been spending a weird amount of their excess ensuring that the system doesn't enable or benefit anyone outside of the epstein class.

    yadda yadda rant rant, i'm tired.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago

    You need to win every time. I need you to lose only once.

    We Europeans are well aware because of the Chat Control that they are trying to push here.

    We have to be vigilant and fight every fight.

    Never give up.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    The only possible cou ter to this is to enshrine the right to own a computer and internet access into your constitution or something like that.

    Our constitution? They've got that thing hanging from a nail in the shithouse.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Parents ALREADY decided. They decided they didn't give enough of a shit to use the parental controls already available to them. No legitimate reason to push this shit on everyone else.

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