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[–] 129 points 6 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 41 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    According to my experience, the left one does not amount to much.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    No chapter about Late Sumerian?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    They yanked the chapter about selling copper because it got bad reviews

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Instruction unclear. Did the chapter get bad reviews or the copper?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The bronze age copper industry was very unforgiving. You deliver reduced purity copper ingots once and suddenly there's tablets all over the place telling everyone about it. Not that it affected sales; demand for copper was always high. But every single customer makes a comment about the purity.

    I curse them all to be wiped out by mysterious alien invaders from across the sea!

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    Ben Rich, aeronautical engineer and second head of Lockeed's Skunkworks after Kelly Johnson mentions Harvard Business School in his autobiography. He was apparently sent to a program they taught there for professionals already working in industry to become more business savvy. Kelly Johnson sent Ben Rich to this program, and when Rich got back, Johnson asked him what he learned. He said "Okay let me show you." and he turned to the blackboard and wrote "2/3 HBS = BS" on the blackboard.

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  • [–] 74 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Except what they teach you in engineering school, apparently.

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  • [–] 46 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    All that math you learned? Forget it. You're in spreadsheet land now.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    That being said, it's important to know how to sanity-check the math, especially in the era of Copilot in Excel. We just found that our company's configuration enables it by default on new workbooks, as we found when it was just...making up numbers when asked to do simple addition.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Did you like those fancy tools they gave you in school? You can cling to your memories of them as you attempt to recreate their functionality in excel without your boss noticing that you're wasting time on this

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I had a programmer giving up on a task today and had to resort to VBA in Excel.

    Excel is a shit program and Visual Basic is a shit language, but if you combine them, you can do things that are impossible in any other way.

    Someone once said that you can make Excel do anything except coffee. I disagree. It can probably make coffee too.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    It might be nothing but gardening tips

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)
    1. Buy Factorio
    2. Start playing Factorio
    3. ???
    4. THE FACTORY MUST GROW
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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    I love factorio. I've owned it before they even had building rockets in the game. Played the shit out of it.

    I dont know if its cause the game got more expansive and complicated, or if I just got old and stupid.. but I just cant play it anymore. I can get a base started.. but after an hour or 3 I just start struggling and give up.

    I miss factorio.

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  • [–] 37 points 6 months ago (18 children)

    There needs to be a required summer semester of engineering school called "being a mechanic."

    Okay college boy, put on a shirt with your name embroidered on it and come out here into the shop. Yeah it's 110 degrees in the shade, you've got your buddy Tom Midgly Jr. to thank for that. Now take this wrench and take that bolt out. Oh it doesn't come out because the oil pan is in the way? I wonder whose fault that is. No, we're not gonna let it cool before dropping the oil pan, the customer is in the lobby. Yeah. It is 240 degrees. No, it doesn't all drain out through the plug, there's a half quart that doesn't come out. Yes, you're getting that on you. Don't get any of it on the interior of the car when you back it out. Now take off the oil filter. Yes, you're gonna burn the back of your hand on the exhaust manifold. You're taking every Toyota oil filter off this summer. You're gonna hold the burn mark on the back of your hand up like Tyler Durden.

    Oh you're going to be an aeronautical engineer. c'mere boy, we're gonna take the wings off a 152 Aerobat, you get to pick the spar bolts out of the catalog, we'll safety wire the control cable turnbuckles through those little inspection ports you types are so stingy with, and then we'll take the bird you just reassembled up for a couple two or three hours of spin training to see if ya done it right. You ever do a snap roll? I'll teach you more about the aerodynamics of maneuvering flight in 1.5 seconds than your physics professor did in a semester. Eat bananas for breakfast, they taste the same coming up as they do going down. And buddy they're coming back up. Because of the special jug bolt wrench I had to buy, I'm gonna pull at least one breakfast back out of your face using nothing but stick and rudder.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Good lesson plan. Then make them take some art and design courses.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    "can you make this green a little bit more like the feeling of biting a butterfly? and also rewrite the copy to make it more crunchy. You have 1 hour, yes I know it's 3am"

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Tell me you've never taken an art course without telling me you've never taken an art course by being a condescending prick

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    you've never been in a situation like that? I have as a clown, a musician, a performance artist, a graphic designer and a marketer.

    And I worked in art criticism for a national newspaper for which I won a journalism award lol

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    No, I've only ever heard things like that in a comedy sketch making fun of art. I guess I went to a better art school than you. Was your award given by journalists or artists?

    • none of those things you said were criticisms, they were all commands. That would never get said at an art school because they couldn't give 2 shits what you hand in because it's all about how you defend your bullshit art in a critique.
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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    perhaps your subjective experience is not the same as mine, and similarly, what I've experienced is not as universal as I hoped and my joking little comment about what it's like to get unusual feedback doesn't land with you - or anyone perhaps on this forum

    and thats OK. My apologies if it didn't resonate, but also I don't think either of us will get any more out of bickering.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Perhaps I can back too harsh, but I hear that response anytime I bring up art in front of engineers. It isn't funny, is mainly lies and is meant to denegrate the whole occupation of art. If you're an artist hold the standard higher please.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    As someone who did go to engineering school, I did not read funkless_eck's comment as denigrating artists, in any way. I read it as denigrating the unrealistic requests made by art-illiterate clients.

    Both their and Captain Aggrevated's comments where about the unrealistic stresses put on their professions by the subject-illiterate colleagues/clients. They're highlighting the pain, which is cathartic but not how a real class would work; however, I didn't assume they're in here seriously proposing new pedagogy. This is the internet.

    Humanities and Shop classes that teach the basics of other professions show that even the basics are more complex than an outsider would assume. So, yeah, engineers should round out their curriculum so they don't become jag-offs that expect unrealistic expectations.

    I don't know what class you missed though, because you took a joke aimed at those dismissing your profession and chose to internalize it instead. Talk about playing to type; the self-obssessed artiste. If you’re an artist, hold the standard higher, please.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    So, explain why you think this is anything other than a waste of time for engineering students?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    Engineers tend to get trapped between their calipers. They need to look holistically at the entire package. They need to play with things and think about their meaning and purpose. They need to analyze their decisions in the context of the human experience. They need to be free to experiment without technical restraints so they can push against the boundaries of what's "possible". Art is fast and fun. Design is smotth and calculated.

    This guy is the perfect example. He gets this "great idea", mills up a giant block of aluminum, spends 10 days faffing around, then throws it in the bin and starts over. Dude needs to sketch some shit and play with cardboard and clay and get his thoughts together before running to spin up his favorite tool.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    While I agree with what you say, the mechanics should also be involved in solving the problem of making all those easily accessible withing the constrains of the projects. It would give insight both ways

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    White collar engineers? Paying attention to blue collar techs? That's the plot of the next Andy Weir novel, isn't it? A hilariously naive notion of people working together to solve problems? Sounds like his work.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Boeing actually did this when they designed the 777. They were the first manufacturer to hire a Chief Mechanic to participate in the design process. His name is Jack Hessburg.

    In his role as chief mechanic at Boeing, Hessburg led a group of more than 100 mechanics in designing features into the 777 that have made it one of the most mechanic-friendly airplanes in the world.

    https://boeing.mediaroom.com/1999-04-27-Boeing-Chief-Mechanic-Earns-Lifetime-Achievement-Award

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You forgot to make them crawl into the wing wearing breathing ppe on a hot day to seal an integral fuel tank.

    On a side note, I just changed the oil and filter on a Toyota yesterday. The only pain in the ass about it is that the damn mechanics completely ignored the torque requirement and overtightened the cartridge housing. I had to use an impact to remove something only supposed to be torqued to 18 ft lb. Otherwise everything is easy to access.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I studied electrical engineering, I had to do a mandatory internship of 10 weeks. Pretty sure the mechanical engineers had to do one too, but I suppose this varies a lot across countries.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    between that and an actual engineering school book, you'd have access to all the knowledge in the known universe

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Godspeed, I recently dropped out of engineering to go back into art, shits hard, you're smart

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Turn it off and turn it back on?

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    I so wish this is a book about Humanities

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    That picture does not show the really important information. Is it a brochure, or is it a foot-thick book?

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    You know what they call an engineer who finished last in their class?

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    [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    In before the book is all about cooking tips and tricks

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    If a professor at engineering school assigned this book, would it create a paradox?

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