This appears to be part of the "Parents Decide Act" announced earlier in April by Gottheimer, as just one step in the process. So expect a lot more to come. Some bullet point plans from it:

- Require operating system developers like Apple and Google to verify users’ ages when setting up a new device, rather than relying on self-reported ages.
- Allow parents to set age-appropriate content controls from the start, including limiting access to social media, apps, and AI platforms.
- Ensure that age and parental settings securely flow to apps and AI platforms, so content is tailored appropriately for children.
- Prevent children from accessing harmful or explicit content - including inappropriate AI chatbot interactions - by creating a consistent, trusted standard across platforms.

Currently, the bill is only in the introductory stage so it hasn't yet passed and become law, so if this is important to you in the US you may want to speak to your representatives.

Source [web-archive]

I am sorry, but isn't it 99% not about "children protection" but general surveillance for everyone wrapped up in a "pretty" package that plays, again, on fears as the parenting and unforeseen future backed up with the "time-saving" features for those who are in a hurry within the same system?

top 100 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[+] 218 points 6 months ago* (5 children)
  • [–] 53 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    "Allow parents to...limit access to apps"

    Which "apps"? Who determines which apps need to be age approved? Notepad? Couldn't you write something horrific and send it with that app? Better let the government take that control for you and dictate to OS creators what your kids and you see. They will of course come for your apps next.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    It's actually super simple. Those NPUs and secure processing extensions are going unused, so just have a government-provided model analyze frames before presenting them on the screen. They can even introduce it in an acronym-named act, "Prevent Explicitly Depicted Objectry". /s

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 105 points 6 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 67 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    As a parent, I have zero faith in any system like this. I'm all for more parental controls(like what Gnome 50 just implemented), but I don't want anything(program, web browser, video game, etc) to be able to query any kind of "age" field on an account on my system.

    I don't want ANYONE to know if my child is using a device. And if that means I have to create an adult account for them, then so be it. I don't want my child's information being scraped and imported into some random database that gets leaked or sold to nefarious actors.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago*

    Companies would love to know the age of a person using a device

    There is a reason why Meta is pushing for age verification. They love children due to the fact that advertisers love to get children hooked early on a product. You should be very careful about who advertises to your child

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 49 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The Epstein class wants to know who the minors on the internet are.

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I mean I only have one person I'm interested in flirting with and I think it would be helpful to know which spaces have minors in them. Not required tho. I really don't want to be sharing bootyhole memes with 12 year olds. If I did I'd be on roblox.

    Fortunately this space is small enough we've got a regular contingent of us old farts (and a few young folk) who keep dropping by. Youngest person I am aware of is 18 (and no one needs to out themselves to disapprove that).

    And since it's us old farts:

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 92 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    GrapheneOS is about to see a huge uptick in users.

    Praying that Linux phones become more daily driver options.

  • source
  • hideshow 16 child comments
  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Been running GrapheneOS for years now. Started with a Pixel 3, then moved to a Pixel 6 Pro, and now have it on a Pixel 9 Pro. It is ridiculously easy to install and use, and is regularly updated. I love it!

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Seconded. On my third (and hopefully final) Pixel running GrapheneOS. Was using a Samsung Galaxy A7 in my teen years, then I got smart and got a Pixel 4 XL to load up GrapheneOS. Things were going well until the Pixel 4 XL spicy pillow (battery) incident.

    My next Pixel was a Pixel 6 Pro, and that one was...fine, but yeesh, that thing made me hate Google's Tensor modem, AKA the modem that is neck and neck with Exynos for being THE WOOOOOOOOOOOORST!

    Currently rocking the Pixel 8 Pro, and it has a much better Tensor chip.

    Hoping my next GrapheneOS phone will be a Motorola if their recent partnership bears fruit (and a phone with better, preferrably Qualcomm, modem).

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 60 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    GrapheneOS about to become illegal/probable cause for a terrorism charge. The goal is to criminalize everyone who opposes MAGA tyranny.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'll add that to my long list of reasons to stay out of the usa.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    To be clear, that was just an expression of frustrated cynicism rather than a warning of any actual policy change. Also, it's law enforcement in Spain and France that have actually been doing stuff like that so far; I just wouldn't be surprised if US cops jumped on the bandwagon.

    Can't blame you for wanting to stay away from the US, though!

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    I preordered the jolla phone with sailfish OS... hopefully that will be a good alternative to todays monopoly

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'm sorry are you thinking you will be allowed to use your non-sanctioned devices on the phone networks?

    No they will be blocked at the network level to ensure the safety of children.

    You may select a phone from a nice compliant brand, like Apple, Samsung or Google.

    Any further attempts to avoid letting the government protect you will result in you being added to the watchlist we share with Peter Thiel.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    Sadly the Sailfish phones tend to be very outdated on their Android compatibility, and with the new Verified Device API from Google even Graphene is having issues and the only two Play Store apps I still used have quit working on Lineage.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Ill just use web browser shortcuts, i guess i dont really care that much about apps anymore.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago

    Thank GOD! FINALLY I'll get a Chance to give the Epstein Class my CHILDS personal Information!

  • source
  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Friendly reminder that anyone who writes DRM is a traitor to the human race. Find a job that won't haunt your conscience.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    If it's called "parents decide" why they implement it as "government and corps decide"? πŸ€”

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Well, I'll certainly be looking into alternative, user privacy focused devices going forward. I'll miss tap to pay and Android Auto / Carplay but I'll adapt.

  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Did you miss the word "all" in the headline?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago

    The free flow of information empowers the proles, time to take it away.

  • source
  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Another lie at the altar of protecting children. They could give a fucking rip about kids, dimmest timeline ever.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Who is this legislation for? Third party "verifier" companies make tons of money, data brokers make tons of money selling info on which users are minors to advertisers and pdf files, fascist government gets "Total Information Awareness", corrupt government officials make tons of money, ... so much winning! so much money to be made!

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (1 child)
    • Allow parents to set age-appropriate content controls from the start, including limiting access to social media, apps, and AI platforms.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most, if not all, OSes have these capabilities already? Parents already don't use them, what is supposed to make me think they'll suddenly start using them if only there was another law mandating them?

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago

    Well it's called the "Parents Decide Act" and these things usually have opposite effects from the name, so I'm pretty sure that it's actually going to end up being a small handful of puritans deciding what's appropriate for everyone else's children.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    I can't wait to verify my age to all 14 operating systems in my car. My Traeger grill has an OS. So does my router. Does a bare metal super loop count as an OS? It did in my undergrad operating systems class. Do I need to verify the pilot's age for all of the operating systems in an F35? Who supplies the ID for the OS in an ATM?

  • source
  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago

    This is stupid to do this at the OS level. Where are the small government conservatives demanding the private market meet this need? (They are liars, fools, and scumbags who don't sincerely believe what they say)

  • source
  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    This is gonna be a great way to teach kids how to circumvent these controls. A whole generation of hackers will be born

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago

    Everyone knows this, including those who wrote and will vote for the bill. They don't care if kids circumvent it, as protecting kids is not what the bill is about. No government gives a fuck about kids, beyond the number on the population chart.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    The problem is that modern platforms outside of Windows aren't hackable. Chromebooks are easy to lock down and predatory companies like Goguardian sell dysopian surveillance tech in the name of child safety. Children are being put under 1984 like surveillance as they aren't old enough to protect themselves.

  • source
  • parent
  • [+] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Unless the parents decide they want to preserve their privacy of course. What about non-parents? Why do parents get to decide for us?

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    "parents" β‰ˆ "adults". The whole "think of the children" argument is a red herring anyways, but if you see how they are using it and which specific metaphorical levers of information control they are pulling, you can make more informed choices. At least I think that's the point of the article.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [+] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    So, more people learning to compile kernels eh?

  • source
  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    I'd be fine with this, honestly. It will justify me throwing out all of my electronics and moving to the woods to live out a simple, happy life.

  • source
  • hideshow 16 child comments
  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Until you’re like the poor guy I met who couldn’t get out of the courthouse’s parking garage because you pay with an app and he didn’t have a phone.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    If I'm showing up at a courthouse, I will not have driven myself there. Likely I'll have arrived in cuffs.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I guess jury duty is optional where you live?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Just don't get a major infection. That will end your fantasy one way or the other.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    What are doctors going to do anyway? Doctors are scam artists and fluoride makes me gay. I'll just die.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    They should just name is "save all the children and you are bad person if you don't support this" act

  • source
  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    ...because doing it at the state level is going so well

    I hate corporate lobbyists

  • source
  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    The people that push these laws must be shoved into a solitary confinement for the rest of their lives.

  • source
  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago*

    Ah yes, another bill named after something it doesn’t actually do, for people who can’t actually be bothered or are unable to understand technology in order to restrict their kid(s) access anyway.

  • source
  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Fuck you, Peter.

  • source
  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago*

    It's important that any USA citizens that don't agree with this send a protest email or letter to legislators, and even organize protest marches, strikes, or similar. Protesting here is not enough. "Democracy"Β =Β "the people rule", literally.

    Considering that today there's effectively an OS in everyday technologies, you'll probably have to verify your age just to open your fridge.

  • source
  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    all the ESPs and Raspberry Pis are gonna be verified under a single factory worker

  • source
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (5 children)

    I dunno... Bullet points are pretty LLMy.

  • source
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] [S] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    I am sorry, but I never use LLM for my words, and I try omitting LLM-generated/formatted articles myself when noticed, since I do also have heartache whenever I see anything such.

    Meanwhile, it's also painful to constantly recently receive these "you act like AI", "you are a bot", "you use AI/LLM" etc. just because I've been trying to format my messages since at least 2010 keeping references with human finite priceless time invested into...
    These recent comments devalue, defame, and basically disrespect you a human who just tries to keep it organized for others.

    It's a dear sorrow since nowadays your attempts to stay accountable are getting ridiculed and devalued to void.

    I am sorry... for my formatting that cause you any trouble... but what can I do? The world won't care, but some do still try formatting their words in public at least somehow, without these "lol", "kek"... and some hopefully proper punctuation.

    Not to mention:
    - LLM-looking "em-dashes" I removed from the source (e.g. origin's "...explicit content β€” including inappropriate...");
    - Escaped list prefixes (i.e. \- instead of -) so to not cause Markdown render it with huge spaces between list items;
    - Created a web-archived version and noted in the source reference line between "[]", just in case.

    Yet, who cares, right? You likely didn't even notice.

    These comments... make you feel empty, regretful, and sometimes cause a headache I got when I read your comment with 2 other people calling me a bot today. Such an awesome time to live, indeed.

    Related:
    - https://lemmy.world/comment/21429322 (Nor will use any LLM in my work, art, or research… I prefer people, communication, discoveries, effort, creativity, and human art…)
    - https://lemmy.world/post/45344022 ("Unpolished human websites" ~ I want to read your words, your mistakes, your opinions, what's on your mind...)

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Waaaaht.

    That text up there was copied verbatim from the MPs website.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [+] -14 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    Downvote because your post is mostly tribalism. It's "us users" vs "them evil state who want to surveil us".

    Have you actually spent time considering whether age verification is beneficial? Whether parents think that their children spend too much time online, or whether the teenagers think that themselves? Have you taken their input and concerns serious?

    Many people i know irl are saying that children should spent less time online and maybe only in cleaner parts of the internet, which excludes a lot of sites. and they're not saying that because they want to surveil everyone, but because they want to live a simple, unworried life that keeps them away from danger.

    I think headbashing won't bring us anywhere, we need to listen to people's concerns and take them seriously, and respond with clever wits and thorough analysis.


    oh and before any of you say "well, parents already have the ability to limit what children can do on their smartphones". well, i did a lot of surveys about who knows these abilities, and who uses them, including here on lemmy, and the result is pretty bleak. 99.9% of people don't know any parental controls, and many believe that there are no effective parental controls today. if you think otherwise, please provide examples.

  • source
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Have you actually spent time considering whether age verification is beneficial?

    Yes, and it's not.

    Whether parents think that their children spend too much time online, or whether the teenagers think that themselves?

    That has no bearing on whether or not every single website, advertising service , and application needs access to my PII.

    Have you taken their input and concerns serious?

    Yes, but if they aren't willing to take responsibility for themselves or their children, then I don't really give those concerns much weight.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    if you think for one second that anything requiring digital ID or age verification in the united states under this current fascist regime will be anything but a detriment to the american people who are already being stolen from their homes, beaten, tortured, raped, killed, and shipped off to foreign countries, separating children from their families, they are raping children in ICE detention facilities so commonly that there is a noticeable rise in underage pregnancy inside these facilities. many of which go missing after the fact.

    this streamlines child abduction for ICE agents and therefore streamlines child sex trafficking in the united states as a side effect of increased surveillance over the entire united states population.

    quit being naive.

    if parents really cared about their children online, they would either get them a dumb phone or even simply google how to install parental controls on their cellphones, routers, desktops, laptops, pads, etc.

    having the state (especially this state) being responsible for parenting your children will leave them exposed to to fascism, fascistic ideals, and becoming victims themselves of trafficking and abuse by authority.

    your entire post reads like someone who is terribly, terribly misinformed on the dangers and implications of this kind of state/federal level of control over the internet. and what that means not only for the children, but also whistle blowers, protestors, resistance members, unions, and average every day people like you who think that following the rules will keep you and your loved ones safe from harm.

    being a good well natured person in the united states is quite literally punishable by death in the eyes of the law. keeping your head down and out of the way, following the rules, its as good as being complicit in fascism itself.

    this law is fascist. end. of. story.

    sorry you were mislead by billions of dollars worth of propaganda that makes it seem like a good idea.

  • source
  • parent
  • If '99.9% of people don’t know any parental controls, and many believe that there are no effective parental controls today' is true then adding Government surveillance to the problem doesn't help especially when children are much more tech savvy than your average poli and will find a workaround in about a week. You are also assuming that the parental controls they implement are going to be easy to navigate. I think it would be far easier to create new laws that make social media liable for harmful or explicit content they allow on their platforms.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Let’s go best case scenario for ya: How exactly is a law requiring more parental controls supposed to help parents who already don’t know how to use the parental controls available to them? Won’t this just be yet another thing they don’t bother to understand?

  • source
  • parent
  • 44 comments in c/gaming@lemmy.zip view that post
    32 comments in c/privacy@programming.dev view that post