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[–] 137 points 7 months ago

So you now can be absolutely certain that Netgear is actively and openly giving fascist authoritarians what they want.

At least before you could be fairly certain it was just the secretive three letter guys that roughly knew what they were doing at least. Now it's even the blatant dumb fucks in charge.

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  • [–] 67 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    It's not clear what makes Netgear's currently foreign-made routers safer than, say, an Amazon Eero 7 or a Google Nest WiFi Pro.

    This is all evidence that it's not really about safety. It's a clumsy attempt to strongarm tech companies into setting up factories in the USA. It may also be an attempt to create an environment in which it's easier to install US government backdoors on every home router.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It's a clumsy attempt to strongarm tech companies into setting up factories in the USA

    Evidently not since Netgear has zero factories in the USA and plans to bring zero factories to the USA in the future.

    It may also be an attempt to create an environment in which it's easier to install US government backdoors on every home router.

    It’s this one.

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  • [–] 56 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Control of the routers

    Control of online identity

    What could go wrong?

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  • [–] 41 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    And looks like netgear is off my list of trustworthiness. Used them for 20 years. Best get looking for a new one.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I have an apology to make. I did a knee jerk reaction. I already have an ASUs running. I was using netgear 30 years ago then switched to ASUs 20 years ago…. Been replacing it since. Brain fart yesterday. I have a netgear in the cupboard that the isp sent me. Getting flung.

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  • [–] 70 points 7 months ago

    Definitely will have no backdoor or monitoring installed as default.

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  • [–] 33 points 7 months ago

    This seems awfully convenient for everyone, but the consumer.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago

    boy, I wonder what palantir backdoors they definitely won't have.

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    TrendNet is far superior and based on Torrence anyway. Netgear and Linksys are junk anyway. Get yourself an open hardware platform, or something that can run OpenWRT. Skip the corporate manufacturers who all kind of suck.

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  • [–] 33 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The cool thing is that you can make basically any combination of parts into a router if you install Linux or BSD on it. Not terribly helpful for end user consumers that will get shafted by this, but at the end of the day it’s just a small computer.

    Otherwise, smuggle some “foreign routers” in from Mexico or Canada like it’s the prohibition era?

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Netgear is the one hardware company I have an absolute and complete avoidance for. If someone gave me anything from Netgear for free. It would go straight into the electronics recycling bin at my local dump and I'd go pay full price for a different brand.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Er, there’s at least 5 consumer router manufacturers that meet the new requirements. Interestingly, one of them is TP-Link.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    My NetGear router still has a uselessly incomplete implementation of VLANs after 5+ years of updates, I was ready to replace it out of frustration. Gen 6 wireless is getting old hat anyway

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago*

    Isn't this only for "residential" routers

    What defines a commercial router? How much are we talking? In $$$

    We don't even need the Access Point - those are still allowed to be sold.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds like a non-tariff barrier to trade that other countries should bring up in trade negotiations.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    The very same trade negotiations where all other countries have basically taken the stance that “we’ll just grin and bear it and wait for three years until he’s gone”. The EU is currently accepting 15% tariffs on their goods and mandating no tariffs in return.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Build your own. Fuck these people.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Not surprising . . . . .and this still does nothing to help domestic network device production in the US, since Netgear outsources their manufacturing to Taiwan.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Still need to wait for more details on what Netgear agreed on with the FCC to get the conditional approval. Otherwise it is hard to evaluate if this is a good or bad thing.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    Netgear is absolute shit. Never had a good product from them. Perfect for the US.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Is it illegal yet to run dd-wrt or similar on a USA router?

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