I think I actually believe him when he says its soul-sucking. He's obviously missing a lot of perspective on what he calls 'real jobs', but that doesn't mean there isn't an emotional toll from what amounts to being a clown whose paycheck is derived from the whims of literally faceless masses
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“A real job” I guess does a lot of work here.
There’s nothing more demoralizing than being on a “make work” job, where you’re so silod off from the world there’s no connection from what you do to any meaningful outcome.
And that defines an incredibly large chunk of corporate jobs.
It’s why in goulogs and concentration camps they make prisoners break rocks.
Yeah, I think the reason behind the work plays a big role in our perception of it. If we are building an earthen wall to protect our friends and family from invaders, there is a finite amount of work that ends with a sense of accomplishment. If we are looking through the corporation's quarterly reports in order to become a fraction of a percent more profitable, the work continues forever and the end result is meaningless.
In addition the physical direct aspect of the wall building. At least for me any manufacturing job suits exactly because at the end of the day there's a literal physical representation of what i did. Later going to the store and having the recognition when seeing something i made.
There was no such connection when trying out office jobs or basically anything else besides manufacturing. Just doing some completely meaningless task the whole day and best case scenario is some random numbers going up.
So while manufacturing is physically tiring, office jobs are soul sucking and client service is just hell in all aspects.
“Being on standby” is torture.
No. Give me task. Let me do it. Let me be done.
If my body wasn't so busted I would prefer general labor. Over almost any desk job. I hate it. I don't have a chat section. At least with general labor i felt like i actually did something of worth at the end of the day.
I honestly miss being a dish washer. Work at your own pace (within reason), get to take breaks whenever so long as shit isn't piled up, and no dealing with customers.
Unfortunately I'm just too tall to do it without eating NSAIDS like Skittles. Most of the sinks were barely dick height for me.
All jobs suck but if it paid better I would never have quit being a grocery store cleaner.
I used to make insulation and now I look after linux servers. I don't agree with lol
Same. I miss being a barista making handcrafted drinks, but the pay was shit, honestly.
I've actually attempted live streaming. It totally sucks the joy out of sitting in front of a computer and zoning out playing your game. You start to go "Oh no I can't play this game cuz I'm playing it on stream."
I wasn't majorly successful but I still made affiliate and had some regular watchers. The pressure to create content and be entertaining and stay engaged was too much for me and continue doing it all for the paltry sums that I was getting.
I could also feel the pressure to become someone I'm not to reach more people. Something I refused to do. In the end though I made enough money streaming to make up for all the equipment I bought for it. I ran out of real time to stream when I got a new job that demanded more time from me. I am making so much more money so much faster by just clocking in and out every day and i feel like I'm building my skills in the field I'm in instead of making me hate my entertainment options.
Do you feel free to throw up a stream when you game how you really want now a days or have you retired entirely?
I haven't booted up OBS in a few months now. It would be too much work for me to do. Make my hair look nice, make sure my lighting setup is just right, clean my room, set up my camera angle and then make sure that everything on stream is appropriate. Not copyrighted and all that stuff.
I think about it sometimes, but ultimately I might end up just doing it for fun on a self-hosted stream or something like that if I ever have time. I've been on a whole own my own digital footprint kick lately.
about the nice looking stuff, have you considered vtubing or even just pngtubing? that should take a bunch of pressure off having to look nice for the stream. they do take some initial setup (getting the vtuber model, setting up the vtubing software), but afterwards when you want to stream, you can just start up the software and you're ready to go.
about copyrighted material, it's mostly a matter of finding a playlist from specific stream-friendly labels, such as NoCopyrightSounds and Chillhop Music. they may require attribution in the form of a channel panel underneath your stream, but afterwards you're free to stream and monetize.
for me, streaming is a way for me to share my activity with my friends and have fun. i've given my friends many ways to interact with (bully) me on-stream, and it's all good fun. if my social battery ever drains, i stop streaming for a few days.
i got my affiliate, and am currently not fussed about getting that partner. if i ever get popular, sure, that would be very cool, but honestly, i'm happy with sharing the joy with my friends.
I get that but like doing the same shit with excel and no audience instead also fucking sucks lol
True but when you have a moment where you just need to sit lean back, stretch, and say "argh I fucking hate excel", you don't have an audience arguing that you should love it. Or maybe you do have an audience but it's colleagues who have similar experience and can commiserate or give advice about the latest annoyance if they know a trick.
well imagine theres like 15 people back seat driving your spreadsheets
One guy I still really like to watch hit the perfect stride. He has a real job now, but he occasionally streams based on when he feels like, and has a pretty dedicated, very small, group of followers he feels safe around. He’s fine with ending stream early if there’s no real vibe.
He used to be much bigger, so he has the experience; he’s just fine with downsizing a bit, playing variety games, etc.
Aside from the streamdeck, which tbh i coulda memorized some keyboard commands instead, I can justify the other streaming related buys like the webcam and fancy mic with the boom arm and pop filter as being useful if a bit extra for other shit.
I get dogwater viewers but I just shoot the shit and play stuff I was going to play anyhow so its a few extra bucks to play with some buddies on the proverbial couch heckling or rooting for me as the case may be.
I do think the streamer may have a point, but only in a bullshit jobs way. A job that actually improves the world has a sense of satisfaction that a job that's either harmful or pointless lacks, and the latter does some damage to the psyche
That said, he could you know, change careers
This quote is out of context. He explained that streaming itself isn't what is hard, it's having everything he says taken out of context, the endless death threats, and the constant character assassinations. Also, he was working 60-70 hour weeks.
But then he might chip his manicure
He could probably get a desk job career that feels meaningful
I find it hard to think of any job that would feel meaningful, under capitalism--which is the only system I have experience with. Certainly no job I've ever had has felt so. Sure, I could lie to myself that looking at the work from a narrow view, from a certain angle, and in the right light, potential meaning beyond just making the rich richer, and eking out an existence for myself could be occasionally glimpsed, but that was always an obvious lie.
Have you considered plumbing? Civil engineering? Becoming a physician or nurse? Installing solar panels? Even a fair amount of manufacturing does something that the world is better off for having it, and within that, supportive work is still meaningful because it enables that good to happen.
Yes, the distribution of resources and organization of labor are alienating in our society, but there's work that improves the world and there's satisfaction in doing it.
Healthcare was meaningful until they went corporate model now it sucks (admin/IT side)
You can certainly frame your meaningless job in a meaningful way.
I am specialized in reducing waste and carbon emissions.
How do I do it? I reduce excess inventories and implement shipping routes that make sense (using less expensive and less wasteful means of transportation wherever possible).
I ain't saying physical labor isn't soul sucking, but here's a video on what it's like to be a creator subject to the Skinner box of YouTube.
chat, is this real??
Yes and no. He's definitely said similar comments, which are relatively true but has often acknowledged how privilege he is to be able to do this as a job. Dipshits like OP will deliberately avoid mentioning this.
I think there is a lot to be said for the emotional load someone like Hasan deals with. We are talking thousands of death threats and vitriol, swatting, psyops, debate bros etc etc. The soul sucking is mental and different, not going to assume this was him saying he has it harder like this out of context meme is trying to portray.
Its very much the same as standup comedy. Its 100% you.
If people dont watch its because YOU arent entertaining enough, YOU arent likeable enough, YOU arent putting in enough effort and energy, YOU dont bring anything new to the table, YOU dont take enough risks... Theres no team, theres no band, theres no coworkers, its all on you. Thats a lot to hang your entire livelihood on.
I could only do streaming or a YT if I had "never work again" money because without the pressure I probably could be fun and entertaining the whole time.
The fuck he does. He's a literal multimillionaire who grifts for a living from the comfort of his own home. You think someone like him goes on Twitter or Reddit and reads what people say about him? He barely interacts with the public outside of his streams, he has one of the most stress free jobs in the world. Emotional load my ass, the only pressure he has is to keep up his persona and to grow his audience which is a very privileged position to be in.
Genuinely what is wrong with you that you think getting constant death threats and harassment is "stress free"?
He's a professional provocateur. He knows what he's doing, and he voluntarily chooses to keep doing it anyway. You're making it sound like he doesn't have always have the option to retreat to a private life at any time if he chooses to.
So why does it being voluntary mean the job can't be soul sucking. I could quit my job and live off benefits for the rest of my life if I wanted to, so can I not complain about my job?
In his case, he could quit his job and work a normal, more low profile job or he could just straight up retire entirely since he has the money do so. He's not in a position where he's forced to do anything. He's not some victim in poor victim who's worthy of unconditional empathy. He's not living paycheck to paycheck, he doesn't do steaming because he has to, he doesn't have to pay attention to what people say online, and he doesn't have to keep streaming. He's consciously choosing to do it, this is something that he clearly enjoys.
You still haven't actually answered the question. You just keep repeating that he doesn't have to do it if he doesn't want to. But he does want to and he does do it, he'll he probably enjoys it on the whole, but why does that mean the job can't be draining and stressful?
Tell me you don't watch him without telling me you don't watch him.
I have a hard time believing that this guy is living some hellish, extremely stressful life because he voluntarily chose to make a career out of being a professional provocateur from the comfort of his own home.
You try receiving thousands of death threats and hate messages every single day and try not to let it get to you. It's not that cut and dry.
But again, he does this of his own choosing. If it was bad as you say it is then there's nothing stopping him from retiring or switching to normal job. He chooses to do this anyway because the money is good and he probably enjoys it. We also have to consider that he's professional ragebaiter, he knows what he's doing and people like him know how to avoid and tune out criticism and harassment.
Keep in mind, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just saying that he's not shouldering the weight of the world from being a professional political steamer like people here are making out to be.
He has said many times that the main thing driving him is wanting a better America for the working class, that's all he cares about. He has very strong morals and principles and will always speak up for what he believes is right, that is why I genuinely enjoy his content. I can relate a lot to that. I think people that criticize him generally look at his content through a much more cynical lens than is the reality of the messages he is delivering.
I don't think he has much of an emotional load because he's a sociopath. His entire thing is a complete grift....and boy does it sell.. And apparently you're buying!
I wouldn't worry too much about his feelings or lack thereof, He seems to find great comfort in his material wealth and assets.
I don't think he's a grifter. He stopped running ads as soon as his contract with Twitch was over, doesn't do sponsorships, doesn't sell nutritional supplements, lets "fan channels" repost his content, personally donates to candidates and causes, runs donation streams, etc. I guess he does sell merch, made by union shops. I'm pretty sure most his income comes from subscribers. I think he could make much more money doing the things listed above if he wanted to. I don't particularly like his personality, and he does seem to be fairly consumeristic and vain, but I don't think he's a grifter.
It's so odd to me how this guy has some of the most diehard fans on the internet. Like Hasan is literal multimillionaire streamer who doesn't give two shits about you, why do you defend him so hard? You're not even willing to consider the possibility that some of the criticism against him might be valid, you're just dismissing it all as disinfo, and that's absolutely wild to me.
I’m not even really a diehard fan.
You wouldn't write this novel sized comment if this was the case lol
he seems to “give a shit” about the wellbeing of non-millionaires way more than CNN and MSNBC anchors do. Certainly a shitload more than my state’s senators do. Certainly more than the president does of any Americans
How does this in any way disprove my point that he doesn't give a shit about what people say about hime online both positive and negative?
I’d much rather get it from folks whose actions have demonstrated an objectively more favorable view of policies that align to my interests moreso than 90% of the news media and politicians out there.
This is horrible lol. Credibility of news should depend on their accuracy and objectivity, not how much they align with your preexisting news. What you're describing here is just confirmation bias.
because I can point to media anyone can watch for and verify for themselves all while you and several others continue to mischaracterize this guy as an animal abuser, or an anti-Semite, and other absurd easily debunked claims
What in the fuck are you even talking about? What does this have to do with what I said? You choose to make up criticisms that neither I nor anybody else here made, and then wrote paragraphs upon paragraphs "debunking" them. The only thing you proved here is that you're cartoonish caricature of the type of person I'm criticizing.
Why does him being a "multi millionaire" mean I have to hate him? In today's world that's just owning a successful small business. Not the filthy rich Scrooge McDuck kinda shit you're implying it is.
I was just making the point that Hasan is in it for himself. This is clearly his business and he's raking in the cash because of it. He does not care about how people online view him or what criticisms people have of him. That's why I find it weird that he has all these ride or die stans who are willing to wear their shining armor and go to great lengths to defend him on online forums against any and all criticism, no matter how valid.
Nah I think you're just either arguing for the sake of having an argument or you're one of those people that have a hate boner for the guy.
You're just projecting. I had the most lukewarm take there is, which is that rich internet celebrities don't care about what people say about them online. You're over here putting on your knight armor defending him at every turn for no reason. Like come on
As far as political streamers with fanbases under 30, he's one of the few alternatives to the manosphere types and groypers. People can have a kneejerk reaction to defend someone those groups routinely target.
Is this not just the the lesser of two evils argument? It isn't as convincing to me when it's about political streamers that you voluntarily choose to consume in your free time vs consequential national elections with candidates who you had little influence in choosing.
There's not a lesser of two evils argument there, so it makes sense it'd be unconvincing.
This is more of a 'judge him by his enemies' type thing.
Wouldn't it make more sense to judge him on his own merits rather than the merits of his perceived enemies?
Why shouldn't we strive towards the truth?
That's actually the point I'm trying to make. The person I'm replying to is trying to dismiss ALL criticisms against Hasan as disinformation, which I think is absolutely ridiculous as it's based in the notion that no valid criticisms can exist against this guy.
He's 100% a grifter, it's baffling how anyone can deny this. Hasan preaches against capitalism, but he literally runs a for profit clothing brand where he sells clothes at ridiculously high prices. He preaches against consummerism, but he is notorious for bragging about he spends thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars, on designer brand outfits and jewelry. In fact that's all he ever wears on any of his streams. He preaches against wealth hoarding, but again, he's a multimillionaire who used money he earned from ads, sales, and hard earned dollars from fans to buy a $200k sports car and $3 million mansion in Hollywood. Like what are we even talking about? This guy is grifter through and through, just because he doesn't grift in the same way as Alex Jones, that doesn't mean that he isn't one.
Hasan preaches against capitalism, but he literally runs a for profit clothing brand where he sells clothes at ridiculously high prices.
"How come you, a communist own an iPhone. Checkmate communists"
Also in the present race to the bottom if you have standards that you expect your comparatively small run of clothing to meet (such as that the clothing is made by union laborers in decent working conditions) compared to say whatever clothing is being sold in big box stores, you have to expect that it will cost more.
Now if it came out that his merch was made in a sweatshop in Bangladesh and of lousy quality that would be a completely different story
he is notorious for bragging about he spends thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars, on designer brand outfits and jewelry
Buying better quality stuff can improve one's quality of life compared to whatever's cheapest in the constant race to the bottom that this world is going through. If you can afford to buy something nice for yourself that you like, why not?
He preaches against wealth hoarding, but again, he’s a multimillionaire who used money he earned from ads, sales, and hard earned dollars from fans to buy a $200k sports car and $3 million mansion in Hollywood.
Soooo he's hoarding his wealth? Or he's spending it all and flashing it around? Which is it? Also $3 million for property in Hollywood only buys you a smallish house by the rest of the country's standards. Seriously.
Like, clearly your problem is the classic "why do you a communist own an iPhone" but at the scale of a relatively wealthy person. People can have different opinions but I don't think it's unfair for someone who was able to get themselves into a position where they have some wealth to spend and enjoy that wealth, especially one who actively campaigns and lobbies in the interest of the working class and against their own interests.
The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is about a billion dollars. There's about 24 million millionaires in the US, there's only about 3,000 billionaires in the entire world. There's a world of difference between being wealthy and literally having wealth that exceeds that of entire countries
“How come you, a communist own an iPhone. Checkmate communists”
This is such a grossly disingenuous talking point by his stans because it exists solely to dismiss criticism against Hasan, even if it contradicts your own principles.
I am not one of those people who thinks that he’s a hypocrite for not living in abject poverty. It’s completely reasonable anybody, including socialists, to seek a comfortable life in a capitalist society. However, there is a very big difference between participating in society and living in luxury. The former is something you have to do, but the latter is a conscious and unnecessary choice. Which again, would’ve been fine if he was honest with his audience… but he isn’t.
If you can't see the difference between a socialist who buys nothing but $7000 suits and $200,000 sports cars and someone who has an iPhone and Rav4, then that's on you. My point stands.
you have to expect that it will cost more.
You're falling for the grift, this is a part of his marketing. His gimmick is that the clothes are union made domestically, which he uses to justify the ridiculously high prices. However, that is NOT the reason why the prices are as high as they are. He constantly runs a lot promotions and sales events, which means that he’s not selling his merch at the minimum necessary to keep the operation going in order to give his customers the best deal, but he’s selling his products at a very juicy profit.
Buying better quality stuff can improve one’s quality of life compared to whatever’s cheapest in the constant race to the bottom that this world is going through.
You fundamentally misunderstand the point I'm making. The price isn't the point, the reasons behind why the prices are so high is. Keep in mind, there are a lot of other clothing companies that use only union labor and manufacture domestically like AllAmericanClothing.com, but their prices are damn near half of what Hasan is selling his at.
Soooo he’s hoarding his wealth? Or he’s spending it all and flashing it around? Which is it? Also $3 million for property in Hollywood only buys you a smallish house by the rest of the country’s standards.
What point are you even trying to make? They're one and the same. He's raking money left and right and he's using that money to indulge himself on a life of luxury at the expense of his audience.
Like, clearly your problem is the classic “why do you a communist own an iPhone” but at the scale of a relatively wealthy person.
But the reason why I called this disingenuous is because it is very reductionist. This entire talking point exists to intentionally kill the nuance and thus render the criticism as something silly. It's like someone criticizing a preachy vegan who eats meat every time they go out, and then having another person come to their defense by saying something like "why are criticizing them? Are vegans not allowed to eat?". Like clearly that's not the point being made, you're being obtuse on purpose.
The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is about a billion dollars. There’s about 24 million millionaires in the US, there’s only about 3,000 billionaires in the entire world. There’s a world of difference between being wealthy and literally having wealth that exceeds that of entire countries
Again, you're missing the point. The scale doesn't matter, I'm criticizing the behavior. There's a clear world of difference between a pair of grandparents owning a home for 50 years and that is now valued at over a million dollars, and someone like Hasan who's living a live of wealth and luxury. If Hasan just lived a comfortable life and used his wealth in accordance to the principles he preaches then nobody would have an issue, but he doesn't and thus he's being criticized for it. It's that simple.
Tell me you don't watch him without telling me you don't watch him.
You're looking for reasons as to why he isn't while ignoring all the reasons that he is. And it's not his merch, it's all the shit that is swept for him. It's all right there in plain sight.
Hey now, those are our material wealth and assets. However, my share apperaently getting lost in the mail along with my Soros protest check 😕
Da = Russian for yes
srael = the modern Nazis you like
Did I interpret that right?
Ya so, my name has nothing to do with any of that silliness. I've had it for like 15 years online. But thanks for the amusing schizorant. I'm not into dehumanizing anyone, but you far rad leftists seem to be happy doing that, the same evil that nazi's embody you're happy to exercise yourself. Have fun with that.
You are incorrect
Actually, if you want a real answer, that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
So, wrong.
If someone explains something you disagree with, you have to actually explain why you think they're wrong. Conversely, if you just say 'nuh uh', then 'nuh uh' is enough to prove you completely wrong.
Amnesia moment
Brilliant deduction, Holmes
Every day I sit at my office desk and long for the days when honest work stocking shelves was my sole responsibility. It kept me active and it kept my mind occupied. I hate having an office job. I hate that I can’t eat junk food and I have to utilize my free time exercising. I hate my vapid and fake burgois coworkers. I hate the industry I’m in. I hate the politics. I hate the smell of the communal bathroom. I hate the finance bros. If I’m short on sleep, I always fantasize about the whole place burning down and the people I wouldn’t miss or even feel a modicum of empathy for. The office has soured my soul… it is a compete removal of the human from their natural environment and purpose.
what's ur job?
Is there a big sign on your wall that says, “Don’t forget, you’re here forever?”.
No it's not
That's just routine stuff. We won't believe you unless you post technical drawings of infrastructure weak points.
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