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[–] 52 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

The goddamn meta commercial where the dad is asking, "meta, how do I get my toddler to eat breakfast" makes me wants to implode every fucking time. Like you can't feed your kid?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    I won't pretend I didn't Google things, but it was mainly getting them to sleep. When you aren't sleeping, desperation is a very real thing.

    Eating though, I like to use "This is the next thing you eat" on my kids.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    My son was born with a heart defect. VSD if you're curious. Basically, the most important thing is to eat, gain weight, and outgrow it. What do you think is the one thing we can't get him to do? He's now 8 years old and just a hair over 50 pounds. He's normal height for his age, but skinny as a rail. He refuses to eat anything but chicken nuggets and french fries, and a handful of other things, the only vegetable we can get him to eat is carrots. Yes, I've googled how to feed him a few times, but without much success.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    The response from the ai in the advertisement is "he likes it when you make funny faces".

    It has nothing to do with researching conditions, or other parental resources one may need.

    "Googling" (may I suggest folks change this language, I like ecosia.org for my searches) things you may want to know more about, and being able to verify where the information came from, is a lot different than asking a glorified alexa for advice on basic human tasks.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "If only I'd programmed the robot to be more careful what I wished for. Robot, experience this tragic irony for me!"

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  • [–] 95 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Love it.

    Steve Jobs once called the personal computer a bicycle for the mind; ChatGPT is a wheelchair for the mind. There is no shame in using a wheelchair if you need one, but if you don’t need one and use one anyway, you will come to need it.

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  • I'd say chatgpt is more like a self-driving tesla stuck in huge traffic. you don't have any control, it can break down easily, you're moving slower than a bike, all the while thinking that people who chose the bike to avoid the traffic are losers.

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    what you're calling lazy fucks are most likely disabled people who you've preassigned an able-bodied role in your mind based on perceived ability based on their appearance.

    a fuckton of disabilities are not apparent to the uneducated eye and also a lot of us are undiagnosed and/or ambulatory mobility aid users.

    so no, you can't "always tell". mind your own business.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I understand what you're saying and sorry if it seemed insensitive. I grew up in a town where actually disabled people often couldn't use the Wal-Mart electric carts because they were in use by people who were very much able-bodied and just felt like being redneck pieces of garbage. It was a whole drama-rama at the Wal-Mart about who could use the carts. And this was after we dealt with the sign about leaving your guns in the car and not shopping with an iron on your leg.

    But, it was a special town full of hate, so maybe that was a unique situation.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

    this metaphor is ableist because nobody is pushing wheelchair use on abled people, unlike ChatGPT. and no, abled people won't become "dependent" on wheelchairs because they'll realize how miserable life is when you're barred from most public establishments.

    most of the people perceived as "faking it" are just disabled people who can't afford a diagnosis or won't be diagnosed by medics due to racism, fatphobia, etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    You make a good point.

    I don’t agree that no one pushes wheelchairs on people who don’t need them (based on my personal experience). I live in a country with socialized medicine so i am not used to cost being a barrier to care, and i didn’t consider the american context.

    you are definitely right that i am looking at wheelchairs the wrong way. i agree that they are liberating for many people. lately i have been pushing a stroller and it opened my eyes the tiniest bit to how many places are hostile to anything on wheels. i can barely imagine the access challenges that a person in a chair faces. the metaphor i used was totally off the mark in that respect.

    i will let my comment stand, but i will think about what you said and try to be better.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I don’t agree that no one pushes wheelchairs on people who don’t need them (based on my personal experience)

    may I ask what you mean by personal experience? are you a wheelchair user who's gone through the gatekeeping system to be prescribed one? if not, i think you have a highly idealized view of what that system looks like and how ableism is truly a global problem in medicine. i wasn't even talking from an American perspective.

    you may live in a country with socialized medicine but I'm not aware of any system whose universal healthcare also applies to disabled people. even if the cost barrier was eliminated, all the other barriers to access like legal status, ableism and racism wouldn't go anywhere unless nation states and hierarchies ceased to be a thing.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

    But if you start consistently using a wheelchair when there is no physical reason for you to use one, will your muscles not atrophy, thereby making you need it?

    I don't think this metaphor is inherently ableist. That wheelchairs aren't being pushed onto anyone isn't really relevant, nor is the fact that very few people fake needing a wheelchair. I don't think the person you replied to was shaming anyone for "faking it." Just saying that if you don't need a wheelchair, it's probably a bad idea to use one.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    Just saying that if you don't need a wheelchair, it's probably a bad idea to use one.

    it is ableist though, because we get told we don't need to use one every single day. this stems from ableds vilifying wheelchair use as a "downgrade on the human experience" as opposed to a liberation tool, which is what it actually is.

    their metaphor wouldn't even exist if this mentality wasn't normalized.

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    But... the person you're replying to didn't say you don't need to use a wheelchair. They said that if someone genuinely doesn't need to use a wheelchair, using one will likely have negative effects. Which is just, like, true? In my head, it's roughly akin to saying, "If you consistently take a medication you don't need, you're probably going to wind up needing a different medication to counteract the negative effects of the medication you unwisely took."

    You're completely right that wheelchairs are liberation tools and shouldn't be vilified. And as someone who needs medical intervention to survive, I understand your frustration with ableist rhetoric. I just think your reading of this one is a bit off the mark.

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  • [+] -22 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    what negative effects are there for ableds using a wheelchair? gonna need a few sources besides conjecture.

    the only way they'd get hurt is from other ableds assaulting them or getting a badly fitted chair, which also happens with bikes. the double standard is that bikes would never get called a downgrade outside of carbrain spaces.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Muscle atrophy? From not using your muscles? Can you not read??? Maybe you're using chat GPT to reply.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    OK then, show me an able-bodied person who got diagnosed with muscle atrophy from using a wheelchair. you're living in fairy land

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    First of all, it's hypothetical. If only for the fact that using a wheelchair in real-life actually greatly increases difficulty getting around. The point is that if you don't lose your muscles, they get weaker. Happens with anyone that has an accident that causes them to be unable to use their muscles for a prolonged amount of time. See also: Astronauts needing to exercise while in space or back on earth because they've not had to use many of their muscles as much due to lack of gravity.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    why are you assuming they'd be full-time wheelchair users? an abled person wouldn't stop using their legs and would be an ambulatory user.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Because we are talking about someone using AI for most if not all tasks that involve thinking and/or creativity, as if it was any other tool.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    unlike genAI, wheelchairs don't magically make you become dependent on them.

    it's impossible for someone that wasn't disabled already to find using a wheelchair preferable to just enjoying abled privilege.

    an abled person would just use a "self-driving" car instead of using a wheelchair if they felt like outsourcing responsibility over their lives.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    Watch Wall-e to remind society how lazy and dependent on AI can end up.

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    Your Brain on ChatGPT

    …LLM users displayed the weakest connectivity. Cognitive activity scaled down in relation to external tool use... LLM users also struggled to accurately quote their own work. While LLMs offer immediate convenience, our findings highlight potential cognitive costs. Over four months, LLM users consistently underperformed at neural, linguistic, and behavioral levels.

    Outsourcing thinking from your brain to an AI literally makes you dumber, less confident in the output, and teaches you nothing.

    Call me a Luddite or a hater, but if you’re one of the people who uses AI as a shortcut to actual thought or learning, I will judge you and disregard your output and opinions. Form your own basis of understanding and knowledge instead of a teaspoon deep summary that is frequently incorrect.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They say that, when making an Anki deck, using it is only half the battle because a lot of the learning comes from the act of making it yourself. That advice is older than these LLMs and it really showcases a big reason why they suck. Personally, I haven’t even used autocorrect since 2009.

    Being a luddite I feel requires having a highly abstinence-only approach. Knowing what is worth off-loading and what is worth doing yourself is just being smart. I’m really glad that I don’t need to know every detail of modern life but I still take a lot of pride in knowing how quite a lot of it works.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Personally, I haven’t even used autocorrect since 2009

    Genuinely the weirdest flex I have ever seen.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Oh for sure, I won’t argue that, but it does explain my point. Even when I use a program with the squiggly red line I correct it myself so that I can reinforce the correct spelling.

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago* (5 children)
  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Same with using a calculator, no? Or not memorising log tables.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    There’s a key difference between using a tool to crunch a known mathematical equation (because you cannot just say “find X” to the calculator) and having to punch in the right inputs - ergo requiring understanding - and simply asking the teacher for the answer.

    Treat AI like the hermit oracle/shaman/divinator of yesteryear, and you’ll get the same results - idiots who don’t know how to think for themselves, and blindly accept what they are told.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    LLMs are less replacing the need for log tables, and more replacing the need to understand why you need a log table. Less replacing a calculator and more replacing the fundamental understanding of math. Sure, you could argue that it doesn't matter if people know math, and in the end you might be right. But given that ChatGPT can and will spit out random numbers instead of a real answer, I'd rather have someone who actually understands math be designing buildings, people who actually understand anatomy and medicine being surgeons. Sure, a computer science guy cheating with ChatGPT through school and his entire career probably won't be setting anyone back other than himself and the companies that hire him, but they aren't the only ones using the "shortcut" that is ChatGPT

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I was never taught what log tables actually are. Anytime logarithms were brought it, it was just "type it in to your calculator and it will tell you"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    That wasn't my experience in school, but there's a good chance you were just in an introductory class or similar. However, that doesn't change anything about my argument. If you need the log of something, you knew that you needed to look up the log in a table to solve the problem. ChatGPT removes the need to even understand that you can use a log to solve a problem, and instead spits out an answer. Yes, people can use ChatGPT to accelerate learning, as one would a calculator, and in those instances I think it's somewhat valuable if you completely ignore the fact that it will lie to your face and claim to be telling you the truth. However, anecdotally I know quite a few folks that are using it as a replacement for learning/thinking, which is the danger people are talking about.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    Better comparison would be opening a song on radio and saying "see I can produce music." You still don't know about music production in the end.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (9 children)

    Personally dont think that's a good comparison. I would say it's more like taking a photo and claiming you know how to paint. You're still actually cre a ting something, but using a digital tool that does it for you. You chose the subject and fiddle with setting to get a better image closer to what you want and then can take it into software to edit it further.

    Its art in its own right, but you shouldn't directly compare it to painting.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Even that is a bad analogy, it's like commissioning a painter to paint something for you, and then claiming you know how to paint. You told an entity that knows how to do stuff what you wanted, and it gave it to you. Sure, you can ask for tweaks here and there, but in terms of artistic knowledge, you didn't need any and didn't provide any, and you didn't really directly create anything. Taking a decent photo requires more knowledge than generating something on ChatGPT. Not to mention actually being in front of the thing you want a photo of.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I think my analogy is more accurate

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Care to explain? I think your analogy gives the credit of art creation to someone who didn't create art, and thus is flawed.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    I mean i think i explained myself quite well already, and not to be insulting to you, but i dont think you're willing to accept any argument i would make that goes against what you already beleive, since your argument against it simply you asserting your own beliefs (that AI art isnt art) as an immutable fact

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Oh, I'm not saying AI art isn't art. It is. I'm just saying that the person writing the prompt didn't create it, or do anything remotely skilled or artistic to get the result.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Okay, but if theyre the one writing the prompt, changing parameters and pressing the button to generate it how are they not the one creating it?

    And i do think photography is pretty analogous here. Anyone can point a phone camera st something, hit one button and generate something. It takes no skill or artistic talent to do so and the phone is whats doing all the work, but its still creating art. And just like AI, people can put more effort into it, coming up with a creative subject, fine tuning different setting to get the effects they want, or even using different devices/models to get different images, and retaking it multiple times to get something theyre happy with, then touching it up in editing software.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Okay, but if theyre the one writing the prompt, changing parameters and pressing the button to generate it how are they not the one creating it?

    Again, the same can be said about hiring a person on fiverr with revisions. You write out what you want, adjust parameters with revisions, and click the "send message" button, but someone else is actually making the art. Just because, in this instance, the "other person" is a computer, doesn't change the fact that the requester isn't making art.

    As for the camera analogy, sure, it is similar, but again I think it's missing an important part that makes the photographer the artist. For one, the photographer HAS to have the thing they are taking a picture of directly in front of them. The have to pick an angle and framing for the shot. The picture taken consists of their perspective in that moment, without outside influence. When someone writes a prompt for image generation, they don't really have a direct effect on the output. Sure, you can say that you want a blue flower with six petals, but the chances that you get that out aren't guarenteed. You can say you want it in the style of Van Gogh, or to have the look of a specific camera, or to have specific elements blurred, etc, but ultimately what's returned isn't up to you. Every time I've ever generated AI art, it is never exactly what I went into it wanting. Sure, it gets close, but there will be details off. I've had to accept compromise with the AI. AI art will always only work without exact expectations. People interacting with the AI will only have the option of "close enough." That means fundamentally the prompter isn't in control of the actual artwork, and thus isn't actually the one creating art.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why are they not making it? Where is the line? I assume we both agree that a digital artist is making their art right? But when you boil it down they are still just sending a computer insteuctions and its making it for them. Or if its about getting exactly what you want out it, what about artists that create art algorithmically or with a paint can on a string? Or what about people who just arent very skilled at art? For example when i draw, i have to settle for "close enough" and also in photography i usually cant get the exact shot i want with the camera and will have to edit it to get close.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Sure, digital artists are making their art. But if they are using procedural elements, which are common in many 3d modeling and texturing softwares (to be clear, not powered by AI) I would argue they didn't really "make" that art, it was generated for them. If they add those generated elements to a piece, i would say they created the art piece as a whole, but they didn't create the generated part. If they are manually placing pieces, shaping models, and painting textures, then I still would consider them having created art.

    I think where to draw the line is pretty clear. Did you do more than ask something/someone to make an art piece for you? Then you did art. Say you get an image generated for you. You didn't create it. If you then make meaningful changes to it (If you want to know my definition of meaningful change, just check the legal definition of transformative changes to media, I pretty much align with what the courts have decided) I would argue that you made the art piece as a whole, but you still didn't make the generated part.

    As for the paint can on a string, I would argue they still created it. They actively tossed the paint can, cut the holes for the paint to come out, etc. If instead they had a machine that poked the holes randomly and randomly picked a direction/force to use, I wouldn't say they made the work.

    When it comes to editing a photo you took, I think that it still counts as you making the art, unless you are having someone/something edit the picture for you. In that case, it's as if you were the original artist, and the editor is the one having made the transformative changes, making the new output the art of the editor, while the original art is still yours.

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    [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Can it maybe just give her an orgasm for me? I'm way to lazy to do it myself.

    /it's sarcasm, you dumb fuck

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

    I delivered pizza during COVID and most people I worked with couldn't follow simple directions to an address or read a road map. If a destination didn't show up on their cellphone's navigation then they were immediately and hopelessly lost.

    If you don't use and exercise your brain then it atrophies and dies. AI is going turn a lot of people into conscious vegetables.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    We need to teach people curiosity. I use my GPS all the time because of construction and stuff but I also look at the route before I leave so that I know where I’m headed on my own, too. Meanwhile I know people who’ve lived in a city for decades and still can’t get around it without help.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We need to teach people curiosity.

    This is called being a lifelong learner. Learning something new every week, or even daily, no matter how small, will always improve your life. It keeps your mind active and it adds to your problem solving.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Absolutely.

    Thinking about it, our school systems do prioritize memorizing just enough information to pass a test and then people just kinda forget it all because they didn’t really get a chance to internalize it. The best teacher I ever had earned that title from me because he took the main curriculum and threw it out, teaching us instead how to be comfortable and confident with the CAD program. When the other class, taught by the moron who wrote the curriculum, even, joined us the semester after they basically had to be retaught because they retained nothing over the Christmas break and the rest of us kinda just sat there until they figured it out.

    It ends up discouraging “frivilous” learning, demanding we learn not only specific stuff but so much of it that there’s no way we can actually absorb it. It’s the difference between letting a sponge soak in a bucket and just dipping it in the ocean.

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    Summarizing topics is nothing more than Cliffs Notes, and if you got caught using those, you were busted. You needed to do the work and read the whole thing to complete the assignment. Shortcuts mean you lose things that may be important.

    Transcripts are fine if you are actually there, voice to text is never perfect. People have accents and computers mess up words that sound alike, accent or not. People don't always pronounce correctly.

    Asking an LLM to teach you something is never going to work out until the creators specifically feed it valid, true information, not scrape the internet and people's text messages. And then you need to teach it to think like a Human, which it never will.

    Feeding it a research paper seems like it might work out, but that deprives you of the ability to problem solve. You need to learn to be organized, take notes in a structured manner, choose what you believe is pertinent information in that paper. You participate, not passively get told what it is. This is a brain expanding activity. You are connected, that's how we learn.

    I am very pro computer and automation. Computers are there to help us save time on tasks that take a lot of time, and repetitive tasks. Screwing bolts onto tires in a car factory is hard on Humans for 8 hours, robots can do it. But having AI write junk articles that make no sense to fill up websites is a greedy money grab, and distorts facts. I don't need Google telling me to put glue in my pizza cheese, or to shove my dick in a loaf of bread to see if it's done. And now all the 'AI' owners want to scan every personal thing you have on your phone, computer, social media, and here in the US, all of our private government data.

    Welcome to 1984, run by clowns. No one is putting in the hard work required to make any of the public tools do what is claimed on the label. It's just invasive technology right now that produces less than stellar products and infringes on so many Human Rights in the process.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have this problem with a bunch of new hires. I'll show them another way to do something and they'll ask, oh where was that written down? I said Just think about what I just did and how it makes sense, its not written down this is a neat trick i'm showing you. I swear there is no creativity or critical thinking anymore, just a bunch of automatons that follow protocol to the letter and the second there is a situation outside those very narrow parameters they just implode. Someone had to figure all of this out at one point and make the protocol in the first place, sometimes there is no step by step guide and you need to exercise judgement and make some decisions on your own.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I have this problem with a bunch of new hires.

    sometimes there is no step by step guide and you need to exercise judgement and make some decisions on your own.

    They probably think they aren't paid enough to care so much to actually exert mental effort beyond strict requests and step by step and don't expect to have a future to look forward to so why worry about progressing in a career?

    Because that's how I treat my job. I don't get paid nearly enough to try beyond the absolute bare fucking minimum.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The root issue is the same, which is: to delegate more and more rational thought to machines.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yup. How many phone numbers do you have memorized? If you're from the era before cellphones you had to memorize numbers or carry a cheat sheet. You probably had anywhere from 10-30 numbers memorized. Now people don't even know their spouses numbers.

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Let's be honest though if there were sex bots AI would be even more popular than it already is

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Well I have news for you, my friend.

    (Shows all the weird sex AI chatbots)

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    if that was available, i think it would be harder for alt-right extremism to take hold

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    not even just the US but everywhere!

    i feel like if everyone could get their PP touched the world would be a better place! and it truly wouldn't matter if what was touching ones PP was a robot/device/ combination of devices or just another human being. (with their own addictions, triggers, baggage, debt, preconceptions about what the PP holder has to do to justify feeling such a connection)

    i know this sounds like Incel talk but that's precisely the kind of person that can easily get roped into malicious ideologies because nobody wants to suck on their ridiculous unwashed genitals.

    those types of people could unload their genetic material into something that will keep them from being unwilling parents forced to raise another human with potentially similar values.

    i see a lot of good in a world like that

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You all need to read up on Marxism and capitalist alienation

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    It's complicated, and maybe I wrote too soon. I admit that this exact phenomenon and its discussion are very nebulous. But I see that there is talk about the growing loneliness problem in the United States, Japan, Korea, and elsewhere. This is caused by:

    1. People not wanting to raise children in today's world. This is because of wealth inequality, which is the result of overaccumulation from the bourgeoise and weakening of the proletariat. This is explained well in Blackshirts And Reds by Michael Parenti. There is also the problem of climate change that the book also brings up, which also dissuades parents from having kids.
    2. People not having enough money to raise kids. Again, this is because of the weakening of the proletariat. Rights like parental leave, like all other political rights, are not simply bestowed by some higher power, but are the result of a compromise between the owning and working class, where the owning class forfeits some of its power due to massive strikes and protests. This lack of power goes from parents to their kids. TL;DR In the United States, Korea, Japan, and elsewhere, men and women are overworked. And while a small amount of people have a massive amount of money they don't need, the rest of the people can't even afford to have children. This is because of the logic of Capitalism, where money is pursued instead of everything else, and everything is turned into money, which translates into power.
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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I almost spit out my breakfast in laughter. Thanks for this one, OP. 😂

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