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[–] 66 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Viktor Orbán has consolidated control over approximately 80% of Hungarian media, alongside capturing the Supreme Court, lower courts, and key government agencies. He has enriched himself and his family while creating a network of loyal oligarchs, most notably his childhood friend, a former gas industry worker now worth over €5 billion through the redirection of EU funds.

Breaking this entrenched system will be a challenge for Magyar.

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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    It is amazing what parliamentary control can do if the party in control is willing to use that power. I hope Magyar actually bothers to exploit his victory.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Magyar used to be part of Orban's party. Won't it just be a new set of oligarks?

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Not really, there is no oligarch base behind him to speak of, and his party is very heterogenous. Imagine LGBT activists and hardline nationalists together. It would be a miracle - not of the good kind - if he was able to get away with not enacting the anticorruption agenda he got elected on.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    A heterogenous party usually means it's more difficult to accomplish things.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    That's my point, the only easy thing to do is the platform they have the mandate for. They have basically unlimited power to do so.

    Usually a heterogenous party is achieved by diluting your message and doing "big tent" and making conflicting promises. Tisza did the opposite, they sharpened their message and made barely any promises, taking great care to limit them to what the whole electorate actually 100% agrees on.

    Which includes wealth taxes for the richest and anti-corruption.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Possibly. The only major policy differences I can see from my distance here in Australia is a general disgust with the corruption and mismanagement under Orban, and a distinct hostility towards Putin. Pursuing both of those will give Magyar plenty to do even if he remains right-wing and a friend of the wealthy.

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  • [+] 132 points 7 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 99 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    We need to be sending JD Vance to every country in the world. He visited the Pope, the Pope immediately died of cringe and was replaced by an even woker Pope. Then he visits Hungary and topples an authoritarian strongman who'd been holding onto power for 16 years. Can he campaign for Putin next?

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Canda:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g2y7969gyo

    Mark Carney's Liberals have won Canada's federal election - riding a backlash of anti-Trump sentiment to form the next government.

    It is a stunning political turnaround for a party who were widely considered dead and buried just a few months ago.

    1. Trump's threats became the defining issue

    There is no doubt the US president's tariff threats and comments undermining Canada's sovereignty played an outsized role in this election, suddenly making leadership and the country's economic survival the defining issues of the campaign.

    Mark Carney used it to his advantage, running as much against Trump as he did against his main opposition rival, Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre.

    Australia:

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559852/trump-may-have-aided-australian-pm-s-election-victory-analysts-say

    Donald Trump's stinging trade tariffs may have helped Australia's left-leaning prime minister snatch a resounding election victory on Saturday, analysts say.

    Unlike Canada's Trump-swayed vote three days earlier, the US president was far from the biggest concern for voters who backed Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, academics said.

    But some said Trump nevertheless appeared to have a significant impact on the governing Labor Party's late turnaround in the opinion polls, and the emphatic election result.

    Then there's the elevated fuel prices reducing carbon emissions...

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago* (14 children)

    Anyone know anything about the new guy? It's almost surprising that Orbán was willing to concede.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    Still conservative, but EU-favorable instead of deliberately obstructionist. It's definitely a heavy blow to Putin, because this might pave the way for meaningful long-term support (or goodness, perhaps even future EU membership) to reach Ukraine.

    Edit: Tangential, but this election has me wondering why I haven't seen much online discourse trying to shame voters for supporting Tisza when they could have voted for the Workers' Party, DK, or the Greens.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    On your tangent: it's easy. All the "true" opposition were united against Fidesz, and only vote-sucking Fidesz-collaborationists were running additionally.

    The FPTP system put in place 16 years ago demanded this. Hungary will do better after a long overdue electoral reform.

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I know that this sounds crazy, considering how world leaders usually behave nowadays, but it is possible that he was just kind of tired of being in charge and thinks that Magyar (who does share the vast majority of Orban's values) is a decent enough replacement who won't start any corruption court cases against him.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Magyar confirmed in his victory speech that he will in fact start those cases.

    Or rather the independent juicidary and the new "National Wealth Reclamation Agency" will.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    It's actually a good question, he wants wealth taxes and term limits, but waves Hungarian flags around and quotes Reagan.

    He's a hardline pro-EU nationalist who likes socialist policies and hates rich people.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    So shines a ray of light in this otherwise dreary world…

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    nice, I hope Belarus is next.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Even after "JD" "Vance" went to bat for him?

    Aw, sad.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Cletus Bowman, his birth name amirite?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    He went through quite a few names apparently, but these days he identifies as "JD" "Vance".

    It'd be hilarious if he had difficulties voting under the bullshit laws these assfucks want to create for Americans to squelch the vote.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    his birth name is James Donald Bowman.

    (courtesy of frongt)

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    🎵 this is the youth of a Nation 🎶
    many more should follow

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    WWWW-WHAT?!??!??! FINALLY

    now there no putin pain in europe

    now there no dictators in EU

    now putin cant go money through hungary for his friends

    i hope some day it also happen in russia

    PUTIN FUCK YOU

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    i feel dopamine in my head, im really happy that orban failed

    because it also support putin's regime in my country

    and he putin friend so there no putin and friends money flow to EU

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    How much damage did he do while in?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    putin's money transit in EU

    corruption

    faking prev elections(as im know)

    LGBTQIA repressions

    ignoring EU

    anti ukraine

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*
    • taking the quality of political discourse from not great to flinging excrement at each other

    • intentionally dividing society, making the two sides more hostile toward each other and making one part scapegoat for the other, to the point of overusing the word 'traitor'

    • gerrymandering done so extensively that he had to resort to explaining the problems with his very own creation to his voters, because the system magnifies the differences, giving you a 2/3 majority of the seats even by just winning 52%/40% (hence the radical change from government 2/3 to opposition 2/3 over one term).

    • environmental damage to several areas due to covering up the failure of safety measures around various, newly built battery factories. Cadmium, cobalt and similarly dangerous substances seeping into the soil and groundwater.

    • health care system neglected and severely underfunded (soap, toilet paper and/or seats missing from hospitals, workers underpaid, air con not working during the peak summer heat, staffing issues, etc.)

    • education system kept underfunded and dumbed down to get more low skilled workers for the industry

    There might be more, but all of the above will take several years (possibly >4 years) to undo, and global economy isn't helping, either - all this after stealing stellar amounts of money and leaving an empty treasury for the next government. I don't have high hopes for anyone trying to steer this back from disaster under just one term.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    First Iran, now this? Couch fucker is on a streak right now.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child)

    My cynical prediction is that the new government will struggle to hold anyone accountable, will soon have their own corruption scandals and will be out of power before they can fix anything. As we have seen in US and Poland voters are pretty stupid and if they voted for a crook once they will most likely vote for a crook again. There's also a crisis coming, a crisis that will be blamed entirely on the government. I really hope the new government will prove to be extremely effective at prosecuting Orban and his cronies, will fix the system, people will love them and they will govern for the next 16 years but I'm yet to see government like that.

    If we're lucky this will help EU send aid to Ukraine and approve new sanctions on Russia. If we're unlucky this will get blocked somehow anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    iirc the eu funds impounded due to democratic backsliding are worth more than the oil crisis, not to mention they can actually pass the wealth tax immediately with their new supermajority unlike biden's plan and the divided senate

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I don’t know why I think this, but this man looks a bit like he could be a garbage pail kid.. ?

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