Fuck sake, now he's threatening third-party vessels with his malevolent idiocy. This is a big misstep of an escalation, no?
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From "OPEN THE FUCKING STRAIT OR WE'LL BOMB YOU TO THE STONE-AGE" to "lol no, now I'll block the strait" 🤪🤡
If they thought of it 5 weeks ago, maybe that wouldn't be as terrible idea.
Same with providing the insurance coverage right away, so ships wouldn't stop the movement.
But we are dealing with geniuses here. I mean trump's uncle was in MIT so obviously trump has to be smart. /s
I'm not an expert here, but considering that he is literally threatening other nations' vessels in international waters, I'm wondering at what point the actions of the US Navy to "interdict every vessel" would constitute an act of war.
Hopefully the rest of the world increases the pressure on Trump and the US since it looks very much like he's completely to blame for the rising oil costs around the globe.
I don't think that was a terrible idea. Iran set up an AyaTOLLah, if US would stop the ships that Iran allowed Iran wouldn't be able to charge ships for passing. It would also be hurting by this closure and motivated to have the straight open.
But that would make sense to do it 5 weeks ago not now.
And before that if they would provide insurance for carriers immediately as well, preventing movement from stopping maybe it would prevent the closure altogether.
But trump instead lifted sanctions on Iran and Russia for some reason.
Are... are the ceasefire talks in the room with us now, Donnie?
Edit: Trump Was Watching a U.F.C. Fight in Miami While Iran Talks Collapsed
Jesus Christ, this guy is a god damned lunatic. He doesn't want to lead the free world, he yearns to be a banana republic dictator. And he's trying like hell to turn us into exactly that.
Is this the same "illegal toll" that Trump wants to be a joint venture?
This doesn't hurt Iran at all, it just makes the problem worse for everyone else. All this will accomplish is loading more international pressure on the United States to end the conflict immediately with major concessions to Iran.
good thing the military is prepared to refuse orders andohwait nevermind.
Yeah, anyone who thought that was remotely a possibility of happening is completely fucking naive.
Or they know it can happen because they've done it themselves and maybe even put down ten toes down on a mutiny charge...
But I'm sure you've got a lot of experience with the process and know all about how it works.
hey then why didn't they do it in regards to Venezuela lol they already had the opportunity to refuse illegal orders.
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I mean this is just a fundamental flaw in logic...
The same bigots always fall back:
If not all of ____ are bad, why are some ____ bad?!
Do you understand that as a larger point?
Not a lot of hope here, but this is a very big thing and lots of people seem to be missing those these days
Like, that's not even getting into how when someone refuses an order, you don't hear that there even was an order.
You just have no idea what you're talking about, or any frame of reference.
Just opinions and an internet connection
i literally don't know what you're talking about. you seem to be responding to something else entirely with your own interpretation. you said that "they know it can happen," i replied with "then why hasn't it yet when it should have?"
are you alright
Yeah, I don’t have experience with this kind of stuff. But I am an American citizen with a working pair of eyes. And I see a military gleefully carrying out ALL of the orders of a fascist, domestic enemy of the state who has been corrupted by multiple foreign powers. If the military had even an ounce of moral conviction, we wouldn’t be in Iran, and we wouldn’t have extrajudicially kidnapped the leader of Venezuela. But they don’t, and here we are. But hey, thanks to the very VERY few who did the absolute bare minimum.
And I see a military gleefully carrying out ALL of the orders
No, you only see them following orders, because the system is built so no one sees when someone doesn't.
But hey, thanks to the very VERY few who did the absolute bare minimum.
Again, you're assuming you see everything happening at all levels of our military, which is such a naive take, anyone making it (even if they themselves are high level military) would be so naive and uninformed, it's not just dangerous to listen to them, it's dangerous to let anyone listen to them.
Which is why I'm bothering to type these replies knowing most people still won't understand the specifics.
It's worth the effort even tho I know it's not likely to work.
Yeah, how many of those fired generals have spoken out now? They could literally be on every TV screen to end this thing, but they don't actually give a fuck.
If a ship refuses to follow orders is USA going to blow it up?
There you go, my new brilliant plan, that should solve the problem easy peasy.
It will be so funny when China or France or any other country don't even complain about it because of how brilliant I am.
-Trump.
Yep, Sunday fits Trump's weekly stock market manipulation cycle. I have an uncanny feeling a team with a combined portfolio of real estate development, private equity, and venture capital interests didn't go into this with true diplomatic intentions.
Dump and pump. Next week while markets are closed there will magically be positive negotiations again and the strait will once again “open”.
this makes no sense?! he was incensed the Strait was closed, but is now keeping the Strait closed?! How much more madness must we endure at the hands of these idiots?
Iran said we'll put a toll booth, Trump said oh cool let me get in that JoiNT vEntURe, Iran said get fucked, now Trump is upset because he sees money in front of him and he's not getting a cut.
After Vance FAILED to achieve an agreement. And Trump FAILED to unblock the Strait, so he's screaming "You can't block it, I'm gonna block it!" as he stamps his tiny feet.
Trump also said the U.S. was ready to “finish up” Iran at the “appropriate moment,” stressing that Tehran’s nuclear ambitions were at the core of the failure to end the war.
Good thing we completely decimated their nuclear program many months back. That should make it much easier to finish the illegal war.
And thanks to the fact that 90% of the US armed forces are MAGA dipshits, we can be rest assured that literally no one will refuse to carry out these orders, and any other increasingly unhinged commands that may come in the near future.
I actually have feeling that he TACOd out of nuking Iran because military refused the orders. Firing those generals (of which one was chaplain) during the war is extremely suspicious.
BTW blocking the strait if they did it right away, would prevent Iran setting up a tollbooth and would motivate Iran to also want the strait open, but those geniuses thought of it 6 weeks later after lifting sanctions on Iran and Russia.
What? The US block the strait? First of all, they can't, for the exact same reason that couldn't keep it open: Iran will fuck up their ships! Second, closing the strait hurts the US more than it hurts Iran, which is why Iran closed it: maximum economic pressure. Third, what Trump is talking about now is just piracy: intercepting ships that have paid Iran for passage. The US navy doesn't have to be anywhere near the strait for that, but it puts them in direct conflict with allies and (stronger) rivals. This is just more Trump flailing.
I'm not saying it makes sense now. I'm just saying that if they reacted quickly enough they wouldn't allow Iran to set up toll booth and use their territorial waters to redirect traffic.
If Iran had to decide to have it completely blocked or open it would make it a less powerful card.
At this moment pretty much only Iran is expecting oil and Don Tzu even removed sanctions so they can sell their oil to anyone at market value.
They WANT us to believe that, but I doubt it's that high. Especially when Trump is a known draft dodger. They can respect the office, not the man. MAGA is a cult of personality.
When will we reach the point where trump will threatened the president of the usa for not doing what he wants.
Actual US military directions/rules are more sensible than initial tweet. But after they posted, Trump has said that any boat he doesn't like will be treated like Carribean fishing vessels. Insurance needs policy to last 7 or more days, and insurance currently requires paying Iran a toll (coordinated by insurance company, for shipper convenience). There is a big difference between ordering or seizing a ship temporarily and blowing it up. Military direction is just that ships will be required permission or denied.
I know it's kind of sexist, but I keep thinking they are talking about the "Strait of Hormones" and that all these fat old men are just having Irritable Male Syndrome, just with more missiles and death than if women were in charge.
Ah yes, let's open the Straight up by... Blockading it?
Iran is making money by sending its own ships through the strait.
So trump wants to block them to weaken Iran.
Every analyst I've seen talkjng about Iran has mentioned this as an option, but all of them have added that it's such a stupid idea that it's unlikely an option due to the further impact on oil, fertilizer, helium, etc. prices..
I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of this all. Since the Trump admin has been saying one of their highest priorities is opening the Straight (that they caused to be closed in the first place) and then they are going to do the one thing that closes it even more.
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