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[–] 191 points 7 months ago (9 children)

I have zero faith that this country will remove him.

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  • [–] 65 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    They couldn't even pass a measure to pause hostilities against Iran, there's no way they will have the 2/3 senate vote needed to remove him from office. I doubt it even has the 50% house vote to advance the impeachment process to that stage.

    The majority of American politicians in office approve of Trump and what he's doing. Maybe after some seats shuffle in the midterms, which is already overly optimistic, there might be margins just slim enough to convince a handful of senators to cross the aisle and vote Trump out of office. But even then, I wouldn't hold out much hope of that happening. MAGA voters remain committed to the cult, and Republican incumbents want to keep those votes to stay in office.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    On the bright side, this will force them all (at least in the House) to go on the record with a vote for or against impeachment (or abstention, which is basically a coward's version of against).

    Just in time for midterms.

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  • [–] 37 points 7 months ago

    The GOP always puts party before country.

    But the unfortunate truth is that if you look at all serious presidential impeachments, the votes went almost exactly down party lines. Regardless of the party. Fortunately for the left, though, this time it's Republicans who are clearly in the wrong.

    IIRC, no senator had ever voted to convict an impeached president in their own party until Mitt Romney did against Trump.

    It's just weird to think that they have this big trial, and present tons of evidence, and the most important factor in how you judge the case is which side of the room you're sitting on. Nothing to do with the actual trial.

    So, unless Republicans actually start doing their jobs and follow the Constitution and start working to benefit their constituents and stop breaking their oaths of office, the only chance America has for justice is if there is a massive blue wave in the elections this year.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Not when half the population seems to think a man like Elon is the smartest man in the world despite plenty of conveniently ignored evidence to the contrary.

    Wouldn’t matter anyway. Most of the government seems to consist of folks that have Trumps dick so far down their throats that he’s solely responsible for the shit that falls out of their asses every time they speak.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This is the first time they've done it in the face of an impending blue wave, though. I was actually considering just a few days ago that, given the polls, republicans removing trump might be their only chance (besides a full-on military coup) at retaining any shred of power through midterms. What's left of the republican party will fall flat on its face without trump (as cults typically do), but they also can't afford to keep him around because he's so supremely unpopular.

    They've really backed themselves into a corner. Now the question is: how overtly fascist are they willing to go? Is the impeachment just a hedge to try and survive midterms? Guess we'll see...

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Speaking as a cult survivor here, cults can be surprisingly resilient when they have a clear order of succession, regardless of the popularity of the current leader. If they have a rigid hierarchy and clear authority transferred by the cult leader, they can effectively project that power to an extremely personal level. (ex. Mormons, traditionalist Catholics, North Korea, the CCP, Scientology)

    However, MAGA doesn't have a clear and organized hierarchy, just a blob of figureheads vying for Trump's addlebrained reins. I think it will splinter and they'll do what fascists do best and eat each other as soon as they have no clear target for their rabid fervor. It'll probably fragment into its base white supremacist hate groups and those splinters will embed themselves deeper into the flesh of the body politic. They'll sprout again as a new ugly weed in another 30 years.

    MAGA has all the ingredients for a long-term presence as a political cult. The words feel disgusting to type, but I'm kinda glad that his assassination attempts failed. Martyring him would have made him immortal to his followers, it likely would have made JD Vance a more attractive figure. He would have been able to consolidate power while his predecessor was still popular. Just look what happened to the Mormons after Joseph Smith got his ass shot to hell in Missouri.

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  • [–] 66 points 7 months ago

    I mean if having credible witness statements that he raped a child isn't enough to impeach.. then probably nothing will be

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  • [–] 53 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Donald Trump Impeachment and Criminal Investigation File Storage Warehouse at the Library of Congress

    Donald Trump Impeachment File Storage Warehouse at the Library of Congress

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  • [–] 128 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    They should have done this long before he threatened to commit genocide as a representative of the nation, but I suppose late is better than never.

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  • [–] 84 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, kidnapping a foreign president isn't exactly legal either... I'm not a Venezuelan apologist by any means but damn... Not a good thing at all.

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not a Venezuelan apologist by any means

    That's where the discourse often gets stupid.

    "Oh, so you support such and such then?"

    No, big brain, we just shouldn't be doing the shit we are doing.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    He’s old as fuck. Skip the peach and embalm him.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Gross, why would I want to preserve that orange sack of goo?

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] [S] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    God damn, I didn't realize there were so many, they really haven't gotten much coverage past the initial 2 because the other resolutions never actually made it to full on impeachment hearings/trial.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    Just breaking more records, this time his own.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Again?

    That trick never works!

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The point is to gum up the works and to actually do their job regardless of lack of success. I don't understand how people are okay with them not doing their jobs after we complain so much they don't do anything.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The problem is that repeated failed attempts to impeach galvanize his supporters and prove to the right that it doesn't matter what they're doing, they'll get away with it. Which then just pushes them further. It's not convincing anyone who doesn't already think he's a pedophile rapist facist, on the contrary, it's making the people who don't already believe that further believe that the left is just making bullshit up because if Trump were really the antichrist facist, the impeachment wouldn't fail.

    Failing to impeach Trump over and over isn't functional progress. If the democrats want to do anything, they should spend 100% of their time obstructing every nomination and every bill put forward by this administration, and spend every other bit of time they have gumming up the works with bills we know will fail to undo the damage being done. At least in those cases there's a potential they could actually do some good.

    Trump will never be successfully impeached. Anyone who thinks so at this point is an absolute pelican.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago

    I'm pretty sure republicans would still support him even if he had his puny hands on their throats.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This action should take about two weeks. /s

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Third times the charm right?

    RigHt?!

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    It's just symbolic. This won't get past the MAGA leaders in the House, let alone the pre-boomers in the Senate.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yes. So that the same people can complain that the democrats don‘t do anything. 👍

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    I'd love for the Dems to start acting like an actual opposition party, but they're owned by the same billionaires and not much has changed in the ten years since the party took a collective shit on Bernie so Hillary Clinton could have "Her Turn" like it was owed to her.

    Vote however you want, but you have to do more than just vote if you want anything to change.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    the new thing here is that not from the progressive caucus but an establishment democrat:

    In 2025, Larson rejected calls to step aside amidst "generational change" and concerns over his age while facing multiple serious primary challengers after suffering a complex partial seizure on the House floor in February.

    For the first time since 1999, Larson faces serious Democratic challengers [for 2026].

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 7 months ago

    There's speculation that he introduced the impeachment articles because he is losing his base at home, as he has a primary challenger. So the possibility is that he doesn't really mean it/care and it's all optics to appeal to a base he doesn't give 2 shits about. I'm not going to disparage the representative, we should be attempting to impeach him every day.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The guy is preparing for some kind of land war. There is no need for a draft in the United States unless we're fighting against China.

    And even then the US military is hopelessly outnumbered. The issue is that China doesn't want armed conflict. As far as I can tell, their only real goal is to do business nowadays. Especially considering that both the Chinese and American economies are so closely tied together.

    I don't think that this current administration knows what they're doing. They're flopping around like they're sinking in water.

    I think the only solution is the 25th amendment.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    Y'all are so quick to forget that some GOP alt-right stooge submitted articles of impeachment against Obama every single session or something stupid like that. None of them left committee. I doubt these will either, despite being entirely within the realm of impeachable offenses.

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    I think there have been more than 2 already.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Its not an actual impeachment until the house votes in favor and it goes to a senate trial.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Yes, that’s why I said it happened twice already. You said that wasn’t an impeachment. But it was. Twice.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I was responding to a guy saying there were more than 2. As in there have only been two impeachments so far, though there have been more than 2 attempts at impeachment.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    a guy saying there were more than 2.

    That's me. Yeah, those other ones - 4? - were stillborn at the initial vote and didn't make it to the "real impeachment" stage.

    Remember when those were both rare and significant? Good times.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago