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[–] 136 points 7 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Forces copilot on the unwilling, puts copilot in everything it doesn't belong in, replaces usable features with copilot, tells everyone copilot will solve all their problems, and fills everyone with false promises about what copilot is capable of...

    ^Disclaimer: copilot is for entertainment purposes only and makes mistakes; don't use it for anything critical.^

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  • [–] 76 points 7 months ago*

    ... So, they are just straight up saying that the primary 'feature' they've been pushing hard for the last 3 years... is actually a literal, next-level clown show?

    If you know anyone who works at Microsoft, please do remind them that they are an evil clown, who is in an actual cult.

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  • [–] 53 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Doesn't that make them in violation of truth-in-advertising laws? If they're marketing it as a serious productivity tool, but legally it's "for entertainment purposes only" , then their ads claim its something that it's not.

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  • [–] 101 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    Liability is going to be the death knell for broad scale reliance on any of these llms. Removing liability is the only path towards profitability

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  • [–] 52 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    That's the endgame, isn't it? Not only is it going to be forced on us with promises that it will be our assistant we can delegate things to, but we will also we accountable for its calamities for "not having monitored it good enough".

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  • [–] 43 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I work in radiology and I’ve been saying this for years. AI tools probably won’t replace us because of liability. We will have all of the liability while AI tools push us to work faster and faster for less money. I suspect this will happen with a lot of jobs.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know how it works with radiology, but my experience in software engineering is that reviewing the slop code takes more time than writing it, especially when it is crap and you have to send it back again and again and then review it.

    At this point I either have to go through honestly which is extremely slow and frustrating to both sides, or accept the slop without review and then deal with tech debt later.

    Both options are bad.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Well in radiology we are searching images for specific findings so the generative slop problem isn’t the issue for us, it will be being overwhelmed with false positives or false negatives with a time pressure to go faster. I’ve been trying to follow the impacts of these models on the coding professions and I do not envy you at all. It really does seem like a rock and a hard place right now.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago*

    The problem with this is that the corpos will fight each other over IP/copyright/liscensing laws.

    Yeah, if they can work out some kind a framework, then when blam, that is neo/technofuedalism formalized.

    But the problem is that they are, in addition to ravenously insane, greedy as fuck.

    Our legal system is slowly building precedent for how this kind of shit will shake out in court... but there are no broadly well understood and clear guidelines here, there's no framework for this.

    But!

    They're doing move fast and break things with trillions of dollars.

    And when the spinning plates start flying apart, they will eat each other, it will be complete fucking chaos, because they moved way faster than apparently their ability to even consider or estimate what the rules for this will look like.

    They did not think any of this shit through, at all.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    It's like the tesla "self-driving" cars which were rushed through to production without thorough testing, then elon made all sorts of promises about how safe they were, but then they start every session with a disclaimer that says "driver must remain alert at all times; if the vehicle crashes, it's your responsibility."

    What a fucking joke.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    indeed isn't it curious how copilot and other llms, fox news, gb news and hasan piker all play the "entertainment" card to avoid accountability and responsibility for the poisonous drivel they peddle

    cowards

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    ...Hasan Piker is a coward? Lol, okay. He's a lot of things, and not all of them are great, but he's certainly not a coward. People who watch him are quite sure he's going to be shot some day. Piker is aware that the alt right is trying to make him a target of violence.

    How often do you publicly challenge AIPAC?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    oh ho! the martyrdom fantasy, you are deep in there i see

    i challenge aipac 5 times daily and i don't describe myself as an entertainer like the con-man, grifter, misogynist, animal abuser, fraud cowardly idiot that is little bro hasan

    how many times do you watch ads for hasan to pay for his nice life

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  • [–] 45 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    That's a whole lot of money and effort put into a thing that costs nothing to use "just for entertainment".

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    They can't do the drug dealer freemium rug pull yet, but that's coming as soon as they think they have enough people hooked enough to force the conversion from free users to paid users.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I honestly don't think they're going to find the profit when the time comes to charge for chat bots. Very few people are going to pay $10/mo max 300 messages or whatever compared to the user base now. And they built data centers for MASSIVE demand.

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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

    I'm just so dumbfounded that this isn't obvious to everyone who has 1. average intelligence, 2. a five minute explanation of how it works.

    You should trust it exactly as much as a magic 8 ball. Alternatively, replace all source reference of "according to << favorite packaged LLM >> ..." with "according to my 10 year old nephew who is playing a game of never-say-you-don't-know...".

    Which isn't to say that LLMs can't be useful. But if you trust any fact based output from such a text generator, that you can't (or don't) verify yourself, you seem exactly as dumb and liable as if you said "but... but... the magic 8 ball said it would be fine!".

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    And if you have to do the research yourself anyway to verify what the LLM spits out, you might as well start with that, forget the AI, and save time.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This is where I land.

    The vast majority of my work, if I ran it through an LLM, would make it mandatory to do more testing and verification than is needed in the first place... so there's no goddamn point.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Someone at work: OMG, I can't believe I haven't tried Copilot before, this is so great! Look, I asked it about how to do the thing in the framework and it came back and told me the pattern!

    Me: Types the same prompt into Copilot, but replaces name of the framework with a very clearly made up word. Gets similar response telling me confidently how to do it in my made up framework.

    Them: Ah, right. You did say bullshit generator, I get it now.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    Ok, so heres how this works.

    Step 1: Apparently you have never worked anywhere near 'customer service' in a tech related way.

    Step 2: You are vastly, vastly overestimating the intelligence of the average user/person.

    Sorry, most people are just fucking idiots who act far more competent, in general, at any/everything, than they actually are.

    That's it, there are no more steps.

    Your baseline for 'average person' is actually more like top ~25 to ~10 % of people.

    The average adult American reads at a 5th-6th grade level.

    That is your actual average, the intelligence of an 11 year old.

    The average adult American is your 10 y.o. nephew, just bigger, and more cocky.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    At least you can ask your nephew for a source. LLMs nowadays obfuscate their plagiarism quite well. Not like early ones where with any sufficiently advanced topic they started quoting the few scientific sources in their training data near directly.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    If only there was a catagory of laws that punishes you for advertising something in deceptive ways.

    One could dream.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago

    The fox news defense?

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago

    Don't worry Microsoft, it's ok. I don't rely on copilot for anything at all. I don't use windows anymore. I don't understand linux, but......well, fuck windows.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago

    Ah yes, just for entertainment purposes only; that is exactly why we are pumping billions of dollars into it in such a way that basically the entire economy is standing on it now and destroying the world along with it. Entertainment!

    All of those advertisements and reccomended prompts about various topics like health, mental health, facts, studying? All Entertainment!

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago

    It's a Magic Eight Ball that devours resources to vomit up ornate platitudes.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago*

    Adds entertainment button to all your laptops

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    Yeah, try telling that to the workplaces that now implement it everywhere.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    We normalized the idea that regulations on business that prevent them from springing us with shoddy products that harm us, or maliciously use our data to exploit us, are too onerous and anti-competitive, so let's just let the corpos put some magic words in an EULA/TOS/Privacy Policy to allow them to caveat emptor us to death.

    We could use a revitalization of the consumer rights movement from the grassroots, but it's a real uphill battle and every year it gets harder.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    Should tell that to Allstate. My company just rolled this out and want us using for serious business.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    It'll go the way of Internet Explorer. Just like it, it is completely outperformed by the competition and no matter how hard Microslop tries to jam it down its user's throats people still ignore it.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    uhhh.... not exactly the best example, since Internet Explorer reached over 90% market share by replacing Netscape Navigator and was the dominant browser for over a decade. Everybody used it. It took Chrome years to get a foothold.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Mind you, early IE was very competitive with Netscape. It was only after they had outcompeted Netscape and introduced the abomination that was ActiveX that IE became the shambling corpse of a browser that we remember.

    Heck, some of IE's reputation is because of ActiveX applets that only ran in IE6 and kept being used for years and years. (Not that later versions of IE were good but IE6 specifically casted a very long shadow and held back the Web for ages.)

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    There were also compatibility issues with the "CSS box model", where IE6 didn't follow the spec at all and broke nearly every site in every other browser because elements ended up with different sizes.

    They fixed that with IE7, and we finally entered the utopia CSS promised with every browser agreeing on how to size elements.

    And then everybody realised the CSS defaults were wrong, and the IE6 behaviour actually made more sense, and now pretty much any complicated site will opt back into the IE6 box model.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Yeah, I feel like in general IE kinda gets a bad rep nowadays because of it's very very slow corporate demise but it really was an innovator at it's start. Heck, IE4 allows you to integrate it in Win95 & NT4 and patch explorer.exe, enabling forward/back buttons, multimedia, and all kinds of web features when browsing folders. It's a UI standard that's still present in Win 11, 29 years later.

    EDIT: Oops... Okay, yeah, I deserve the downvotes there. Perhaps I was a little too enthused about what brought years of stagnation and backbreaking workarounds to the web. But it's hard to understate how game-changing the address bar was to explorer.exe. It was like a whole new OS.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    they know thier datacenters arnt paying for themselves, so they are desperately tyring to jam it into everything in hte hopes it would pay off or stem the hemmorhaging of money they invested. they have largely abandoned XBOX already.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    I think it's this:

    looks like it's this

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    My company says it’s the only one I can use. And we have to use it, cause someone said so.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Wait, what happened with “bicycles for your brain”?

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    They were invited to a polite tea party by a committee of wandering shoelaces, then elected mayor of a small cloud. After taking office, the bicycles for the brain organized a protest demanding socks learn to whistle. In response, gravity sent a delegation of polite spoons who offered everyone tiny umbrellas and a subscription to moonlight. The bicycles accepted, traded their handlebars for pocket watches, and moved into the nearest pocket dimension where they now run a cooperative that knits metaphors into breakfast cereal.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    "Guys lol wtf it was just a goof, chill"

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Microsoft forces CoPilot on you.

    “Don’t rely on Copilot for important advice. Use Copilot at your own risk.”

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    What even is the actual point of it then......

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    They're not wrong.

    Watching Microslop fumble so hard is pretty entertaining.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Yep. Entertainment of the oligarchs who buy and sell you like cattle

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Can we have linux news on the frontpage instead of microsoft junk?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Yeah, that makes sense.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Install Linux, Problem Solved!

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    I have used it for generating some code recently... It was entertaining.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago

    Yikes. Talk about confidence.

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