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[–] 18 points 7 months ago

This the same AI that was able to suss out people's race from metadata or whatever and used that to make poor diagnostic decisions?

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It’s about that time, eh chaps?

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    Have fun with those malpractice lawsuits!

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    if the test comes back negative, it’s wrong only about 3 times out of 10,000,”

    This is a hard one. While this could lead to an increase in the frequency of body scans, it's being said by a healthcare ceo so I kind of need him to play a game a Luigi's Mansion before I can listen to him.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    if the test comes back negative, it’s wrong only about 3 times out of 10,000,”

    So there-in lies the problem, which is that things like cancer, are already rare. Say there are 6 real instances of cancer in 10,000. Say the system says 20 are cancer, 3 actually are, and it missed 3. That means it was only positively correct at a rate of 50%, even though its overall accuracy is well over 99%

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    and the people are ready to replace him with... dead him

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Before Lemmy gets their man buns in a knot....pathologists and radiologists make a huge number of mistakes.

    83% of radiologists in a study did not see a gorilla pasted into an xray image.

    Pathologists have errors as high as 11%.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    and "AI" is NOT something that learns from its mistakes. ever.

    This is from someone who could program together a radiologist "AI" within a week that could beat the average radiologist.

    The problem is not the hit %. It's the accountability chain and the economy.

    Regulate "AI" properly, and have a healthy safety net that would leave a radiologist comfortable after a layoff, and we could start to talk.

    Before then? Fuck you.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I had three radiologists look at CTs of my lungs and say they were (more or less) normal. I showed those same images to a pulmonologist and she immediately saw the problem. The serious problem. And after she showed me how she identified it, I started to be and to recognize the pattern as well.

    The radiologists couldn't.

    🤷👋

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    [–] 48 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Usual business "journalism"

    • 4 CEOs quoted
    • 0 labor leaders quoted
    • 1 radiologist quoted as the very last paragraph of the article:

    “Undeniable proof that confidently uninformed hospital administrators are a danger to patients: easily duped by AI companies that are nowhere near capable of providing patient care,” Suhail told Radiology Business. “Any attempt to implement AI-only reads would immediately result in patient harm and death, and only someone with zero understanding of radiology would say something so naive. But in some sense, they’re correct: Hospitals are happy to cut costs even if it means patient harm, as long as it’s legal.”

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    How about replacing CEO's with AI?

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago

    Public hospital

    Has a CEO

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  • [–] [S] 20 points 7 months ago

    The chief executive of America’s largest public hospital system says he is prepared to start replacing radiologists with artificial intelligence in some circumstances, once the regulatory landscape catches up. 

    Mitchell H. Katz, MD, president and CEO of NYC Health + Hospitals, recently spoke during a panel discussion held by Crain’s New York Business. The trained internal medicine specialist noted how AI is increasingly being used to interpret mammograms and X-rays. 

    This presents an opportunity to save on how much hospitals spend on radiologists, who have become more costly amid rising demand for imaging, Crain’s reported Thursday. 

    “We could replace a great deal of radiologists with AI at this moment, if we are ready to do the regulatory challenge,” Katz said at the forum, held on March 25. 

    Katz—who has led the 11-hospital organization since 2018—said he sees great potential for AI to increase access to breast cancer screening. Hospitals could potentially produce “major savings” by letting the technology handle first reads, with radiologists then double-checking any abnormal screenings. 

    Fellow panelist David Lubarsky, MD, MBA, president and CEO of the Westchester Medical Center Health Network, said his system is already seeing great success in deploying such technology. The AI Westchester uses misses very few breast cancers and is “actually better than human beings,” he told the audience.

    “For women who aren’t considered high risk, if the test comes back negative, it’s wrong only about 3 times out of 10,000,” Lubarsky said. 

    Katz asked fellow hospital CEOs if there is any reason why they shouldn’t be pushing for changes to New York state regulations, allowing AI to read images “without a radiologist,” Crain’s reported. In this scenario, rads could then provide second opinions, if AI flags any images as abnormal. Sandra Scott, MD, CEO of the One Brooklyn Health, a small hospital facing tight margins, agreed with this line of thinking, according to Crain’s. 

    “I mean, I’m in charge of a safety-net institution. It would be a game-changer,” Scott said about AI being used to replace rads. 

    The discussion comes after Dario Amodei, PhD, CEO of Anthropic, recently made similar statementsabout artificial intelligence replacing rads. In a podcast interview, he falsely stated that AI has taken over the specialty’s core function, allowing doctors to focus more on the human side of the job. Radiologists roundly criticized Amodei’s remarks. Mohammed Suhail, MD, a San Diego-based rad with North Coast Imaging, said the same about Katz’s comments on Monday. 

    “Undeniable proof that confidently uninformed hospital administrators are a danger to patients: easily duped by AI companies that are nowhere near capable of providing patient care,” Suhail told Radiology Business. “Any attempt to implement AI-only reads would immediately result in patient harm and death, and only someone with zero understanding of radiology would say something so naive. But in some sense, they’re correct: Hospitals are happy to cut costs even if it means patient harm, as long as it’s legal.”

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Looks like this guy needs to be reminded of what the CEO of Five Guys recently said/did.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This seems like a bad idea. There is no intelligence in AI. Its a helpful tool to be used alongside a skilled expert. It should never replace people. We need actual intelligence in there.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    CEOs think AI can do everyone's jobs because AI can do their job pretty easily, and they assume everyone else's jobs are as easy or easier than theirs.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This trend of AI being a little more than mere assistants (a barely functional one at that) to replacing doctors is frightening.

    Tech bros are as delusional as the AI they promote.

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    [–] 13 points 7 months ago*

    CEO will still utilize services of a human radiologist for himself and family

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I can't wait for AI to recreate another Therac-25 incident!!! /s

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    i'm of the opinion that ai has already resulted in a newly born child dying already and nobody noticed

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    People in question in the US couldn't give a single shit about things like children dying. Cuba is in crisis, and entirely manufactured by the US, while at the same time removing embargos on Russian oil. Mission accomplished, right Krasnov?

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Katz—who has led the 11-hospital organization since 2018—said he sees great potential for AI to increase access to breast cancer screening. Hospitals could potentially produce “major savings” by letting the technology handle first reads, with radiologists then double-checking any abnormal screenings.

    Notice how this guy is focused on 1. Screening more people and 2. “Major savings.”

    On the surface this seems really positive bc it means more people can get screened and it’ll cost less right? Nope, what he’s really saying is it’ll allow them to see more clients customers patients while paying fewer peasants servants employees which means more money for him. Who gives a damn if the ai makes mistakes and causes harm to poor people? He will still have access to real doctors and medical professionals who can guarantee the best treatment, so fuck the rest of us

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    I've been thinking that AI is a joke and can't replace half the people we're told it can. What I'm beginning to see, is that these assholes are going to replace us with AI anyway! They don't care if it performs horribly, as long as it costs a little less than a human.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Making sure Americans still get some of the worst healthcare for the highest price !

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  • Hello Therac-25, what are you doing back here? 💀☢️

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    In other news Americas largest public hospital sees record breaking wrongful death lawsuits against CEO.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    There seems to be two extreme camps surrounding AI right now. Those mounting a Butlerian Jihad against it and idiots like this CEO who think it can replace human oversight. Everybody has gone mad. It can be a useful supplemental tool and it doesn't need to be destroyed but it can't even replace a writer of children's books much less radiologists. AI is and always will be a dumbass machine. It can never replace a human especially in the state that it's in now.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not opposed to AI, I'm opposed to the arse wipes trying to roll out an immature technology into critical scenarios with minimal oversight. I feel like most people who would describe themselves as anti-AI would agree that the problem is more about the socioeconomic context of this tech rather than the tech itself

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    That’s the thing. If AI can’t replace humans and take their jobs because it can’t be trusted to work properly in science and engineering, and it produces highly derivative crap in arts and literature, then there’s no socioeconomic context. Photoshop was a greater socioeconomic threat to painters and air brush artists than AI is to musicians and software engineers.

    The problem is when people are up in arms about socioeconomic justice, nobody is warning the CEOs that they’re buying a pig in a poke, an ADE 651. This CEO is going to get people killed because he’s dismissing legitimate concerns as FUD from Luddites.

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    [–] 27 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    "Imagine the profits!"

    -CEO of America's largest public hospital system

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    Hospitals should be run by doctors, not CEOs.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    May the spirit of Brian Thompson light his wretched path.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    He's ready to replace radiologists ... but is the AI ready to replace radiologists? I really doubt it.

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    [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    eew why are you linking to Hacker News comments?

    That place makes me want to vomit from techbro vertigo every time I go there.

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