At least 347 and up to 504 civilians, almost all women, children and elderly men, were murdered by U.S. Army soldiers. Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated, and some soldiers mutilated and raped children as young as 12.

only Lieutenant William Calley Jr., the leader of 1st Platoon in C Company, was convicted. He was found guilty of murdering 22 villagers and originally given a life sentence, but served three-and-a-half years under house arrest after his sentence was commuted.

Research has highlighted that the My Lai Massacre was not an isolated war crime. Nick Turse places it within a larger pattern of American atrocities enabled by deliberate policies from commanders, such as "free-fire zones" and "body counts", as well as widespread racism amongst American military personnel. Many other atrocities were also covered up by commanders.

Why you should know about this: It is important to know about history so that we can learn from it, avoid the mistakes and atrocities of the past, and know which institutions have a history of performing atrocities, trying to cover them up, etc. and what that looks like.

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[–] 101 points 7 months ago (1 child)

The only reason why my Lai is known today is because one helicopter pilot had a conscience and ordered his door gunner to open fire on their own troops if they were to approach another group of Vietnamese civilians that he decided to protect

Had he not, likely nobody would have known what happened

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  • [–] 170 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    it's sad when I don't even know which massacre is being discussed, or even which theater of war or era - there are just too many examples

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  • [–] [S] 62 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    And that is the very few we know of, the more you learn about these, the more clear it becomes they cover them up unless they definitively can't. What we know barely scratches the surface of American terrorism and atrocities.

    Initial reports claimed "128 Viet Cong and 22 civilians" had been killed in the village during a "fierce fire fight". Westmoreland congratulated the unit on the "outstanding job". As relayed at the time by Stars and Stripes magazine, "U.S. infantrymen had killed 128 Communists in a bloody day-long battle."

    Melvin Laird the Secretary of Defense discussed them with Henry Kissinger who was at the time National Security Advisor to President Richard Nixon. Laird was recorded as saying that while he would like "to sweep it under the rug", the photographs prevented it. "They're pretty terrible", he said. "There are so many kids just laying there; these pictures are authentic".

    Inside the White House, officials privately discussed how to contain the scandal. On 21 November, Kissinger emphasized that the White House needed to develop a "game plan", to establish a "press policy", and maintain a "unified line" in its public response. The White House established a "My Lai Task Force" whose mission was to "figure out how best to control the problem", to make sure administration officials "all don't go in different directions" when discussing the incident, and to "engage in dirty tricks".

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  • [–] 52 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    The military had a sex trafficking and drug trade during the Iraq war.

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  • [–] [S] 28 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    That sounds like something that We Should Know about.

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  • [–] 48 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    That's just one village.

    "According to the Information Bureau of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of South Vietnam (PRG), a shadow government formed by North Vietnam in 1969, between April 1968 and the end of 1970 American ground troops killed about 6,500 civilians in the course of twenty-one operations either on their own or alongside their allies. "

    "Tiger Force, a reconnaissance unit of the 101st Airborne Division, probably murdered hundreds of civilians during a 6-month period in 1967"

    and from bombing:

    "Estimates for the number of North Vietnamese civilian deaths resulting from U.S. bombing range from 30,000 to 65,000.[35][4] Higher estimates place the number of civilian deaths caused by American bombing of North Vietnam in Operation Rolling Thunder at 182,000.[36] American bombing in Cambodia is estimated to have killed between 30,000 and 150,000 civilians and combatants."

    Edit: I haven't done extensive research and as was pointed out the actual numbers might be much higher, and my figures don't include deaths and damage from Agent Orange chemicals

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The US murdered over a million civilians in Iraq.

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  • [–] 38 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    | Sentence | Life imprisonment; commuted to three years' house arrest by President Richard Nixon |

    Fucking hell Nixon …

    “Protect the children and women” Except from my murderous rapist soldiers apparently.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    Interesting how this narrative keeps getting used to justify our colonialism. “These are backwards savages and we are agents of progress and feminism” and then, in the course of the conflict, women and girls are raped, killed, and bombed while women’s rights are stonewalled or even stripped away back home

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The police protect women,

    WHICH WOMEN!?

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  • [–] 37 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    after learning of the massacre, he wrote in his memoir that it was "the conscious massacre of defenseless babies, children, mothers, and old men in a kind of diabolical slow-motion nightmare that went on for the better part of a day, with a cold-blooded break for lunch".[

    yo what the fuck

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago

    War. What is it good for. Absolutely nothing.

    Other than fulfilling the desires of sociopaths under the guise of being a patriot

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago

    YSalsoK that Colin Powell was instrumental the attempt to cover up My Lai.

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  • [–] 46 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    US soldiers also raped thousands of French women during WW2.

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    [–] 19 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I suppose many of the perpetrators who were there are still alive today. I wonder if they sleep soundly in bed at night.

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago

    Someone who lacks enough empathy to brutally gang rape women and children are rarely people who feel remorse for hurting others. They unfortunately probably laugh themselves to sleep at night knowing they committed some of the sickest shit imaginable and will never be punished.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago

    For a long time, I assumed that veterans who didn't want to talk about their time served were doing so because they witnessed difficult things or felt shame about what they had to do in combat situations.

    These days, I wonder if it's because anyone they talked to would see them for the monster they are.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    them vets are the main foment vector for what we now know as the white supremacy movement. not that the sentiment wasn't prevalent, but it was disjointed groups, churches, cults, klan, militias, prison gangs, etc., each pushing their own thing with only limited local reach.

    the influx of large swaths of radicalized and trained MAMs was the igniter. all those power squabbling groups started coming together under one banner and they had a new tool - computers.

    early on, they realized you can reach a whole lotta more folks with the new tech than the usual zines and the like. so they formed armored truck robbing gangs, and used the proceeds to buy home computers for establishing a network of BBS all over the country, pushing their shit to previously unreachable corners. I mean, if that's not a michael mann movie, I don't know what is...

    for more, kathleen belew - bring the war home, available at anne's site or wherever you pirate your shit.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    What those in authority don't want to tell us is that this is exactly what they expect in war. They want our soldiers to be so horrific that the other side quits. That's the goal of EVERY leader who starts a war. Any hand-wringing or regret later is just theater.

    The only sin is letting the Civilians hear about it.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    It's historically the only effective way to fight an insurgency and every military since ancient times knows it. Basically anytime you hear a modern military is enacting a "counter insurgency" it's either code word for doing death squads, or it's a tacit admission that they are out of ideas and have found themselves in an unwinnable quagmire.

    The only way to defeat an insurgency is to do massive amounts of crimes against humanity......or avoid creating one in the first place.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    And between the two options you presented, even when the latter is surprisingly easy to pull off, for “some reason” we just keep diving head-first into war-crime territory.

    It’s the same mentality that got the DNC fighting their own guy who was turbo-winning in NYC. Anything is preferable to building a strong, sustainable, cooperative future as far as these kinds of people are concerned.

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  • It's a tale as old as time, no one wants to fight for a future that doesn't advance their own personal positions.

    How would a center right politician afford a vacation home in the hamptons if we actually regulated their corporate relationships? What good is a general if there isn't a forever war?

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    It is important to know this because when the military is turned on you, you should know they’ll obey. If you think there are enough that would so no, you’re wrong.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    What no one ever considers is what is happening right now in real time. They are actively pushing out the troops that would object morally to bad orders. The administration doesn't care if they are left with inferior troops, as long as the ones they have left will follow orders blindly and without question.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    As a former member of the US military, please go fuck yourself.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Democrats and Republicans want to murder each other NOW, they're not even in the military. Why would GIs be any different?

    In a civil war, all will be armed, the armed forces will split as they did before.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    War and rape go hand in hand; you can't dehumanize people and respect them simultaneously.

    Not to mention that a lot of soldiers are amped up on drugs and/or alcohol. Many of them don't want to even be there.

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    [–] 13 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Well, the US did more than that in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Libya, Vietnam, Somalia, Nigeria, and a lot of other countries!

    The reality is the USA is the real example of a terrorist country.. spreading fear, killing innocent people and ruining their lives.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 7 months ago*

    Don't forget Cuba, which is an actively ongoing event. Innocent people are being starved and deprived of medicine and other essentials, purely because the ruling class want to demonstrate how socialism is a failure. Such a failure that the US has needed to ruthlessly oppress and terrorize them for decades, and yet despite it all Cuba has still made incredible medical breakthroughs such as vaccines for alzheimers and lung cancer, which aren't even available under capitalism... I wonder how they did it if they didn't have innovation, such a mystery

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Thank you for sharing, I had only heard of it tangentially until a Mr. Beat video on the Vietnam War. There's a lot of fictional media in that time frame that references atrocities like this in that conflict, beyond just Apocalypse Now.

    https://youtu.be/LwQRfckSANI

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    "You should know: [totally horrible political sexual abuse thing with absolutely no kind of warning on it at all]"

    ...no, I really, really didn't need to know that, thanks

    -- Frost

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    I understand how you feel, but we actually do have the power to change our world. We need to first recognize that something needs to be done, build a popular consensus, network and build connections with like-minded people, and start a real movement for change.

    Electoralism has not solved our problems in the past, and it won't do so in the future. At best, it is harm prevention, and at worst, it's a distraction from more effective efforts. I encourage people to vote for the candidates they feel best, but to be aware that it's not a real, long term solution. It's always just the best of two terrible candidates, both of whom ultimately serve the ruling class.

    The problems we have did not start and will not end with Trump, they are in the fundamental roots of our society, and the road to change our society is a long and difficult one, but it is a journey we have to undertake. We are going to have to act if we want to live in a better world. Simply giving in to nihlism is not an option.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago (7 children)

    Of course they have, all of human history is a story of ideas that have changed the world. Revolution is possible. You already see the problems, but you are so deep in the despair of the situation to see that a path out of it is possible. Don't give up, help me instead.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    the American revolution didn't actually start until Lexington and Concord. it was then further fueled by vile acts of aggression against American colonists.

    the threat of the spread of communism allowed the US to enter into the Korean war.

    the threat of terror attacks on the American public allowed the US to invade Iraq and even overthrow the leader the CIA put into power.

    People don't react to stories. people react to stimulus. fear, hunger, sex, pain, greed. these are the things that motivate us to take action. because, why would we risk what we have unless we're motivated to do so.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    Stories make people feel things, like anger. Anger gives people lots of energy and motivation to act.

    The LA riots for example were sparked by the lack of justice after the police's brutal assault on Rodney King.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    stories are based on acts. nobody gives a shit how little jenny was raped. all they react to is the act of rape.

    nobody gives a shit if Trump raped children because it's all a part of the story now.

    you heard the story a hundred thousand times by now. you're sick of it, and don't want to hear about it anymore.

    this is what mainstream media is used for.

    stories are used to satiate the masses.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children)

    you heard the story a hundred thousand times by now. you’re sick of it, and don’t want to hear about it anymore.

    Speak for yourself.

    Look, you can disagree all you want, that's fine, but let's try to be a bit more constructive. What would you propose instead, to try and fight against the Epstein class?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    capture actual footage of the culprits attempting to circumvent justice in a way that commoners can understand.

    get video footage of Trump gloating about how stupid MAGA is and how he's just using them to build his kingdom of filth.

    record backroom deals with CEOs that are killing people for greed.

    and release them on multiple platforms for the general public to see and react.

    it's not a story if it's plain as day that these people want you dead, it's just a fact.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    This is bad. What Japan did to China was worse.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    What Japan did to China was worse? Ok. So what? What relevance does that have?

    Is that how your approach everything in life? Your mother is raped and mutilated, that's bad, but what Japan did to China was worse. So... stop complaining I guess? (Obvious sarcasm but I genuinely fear you won't catch that)

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Then the US absorbed Japan as an imperial vassal, didn't mete out sufficient justice for the perpetrators, and went on to use Japan for logistics support during its attack on Vietnam. These two things are actually part of one greater whole, one that is still happening to this day.

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