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[–] 16 points 7 months ago (14 children)

I'm in a weird position, I hate how car centric the world is and designed to be car first, but I also equally hate walking any distance that requires effort. So imma sit this one out.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Having well maintained public transport within 3 minutes of walking sounds way better than driving to me

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Now just to make it so it doesn't cost 25czk for single trip.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    Well, the car centricism isn't gonna go away without effort. But the 'walking effort' you hate is going to become more tolerable and maybe even enjoyable the more you do it. So, I guess one 'hate' is endless while the other is not?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Pedestrianized infrastructure tends to be denser since they don't need parking lots. It often requires more effort to get in your car and drive and park than just walking 100 feet in a place without cars.

    China has rideshare bike parking basically on every street, and it costs like 2USD/mo so you can almost always just get on a random bike and use it to go even just 100 feet to get to the subway or bus entrance.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    The problem with bike share is the helmet issue. I love my bike but I'm not going to carry a helmet everywhere I go on the off chance I might bike.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    Some bike models have a helmet that sits in the basket, and is supposed to unlock with the bike. But the lock never works, and I asked a worker about it and he was like "don't worry about it".

    I think it worked at one point, but nobody bothered to use the helmet because there's dedicated, usually separated, bike lanes almost everywhere. And then there's a giant sidewalk you can ride on if you want to go even slower.

    Either that, or there's a separate option in the app to unlock the helmets that I wasn't seeing.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    I like the idea, but if it doesn't work than it's not great. Plus sharing helmets can be I'll advised for health reasons.

    I know there was a company in Europe that was working on a portable airbag style helmet. Hopefully something like that would make bike share more viable.

    Even with dedicated lanes, bike accidents without helmets are more dangerous.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Are bike accidents really dangerous when you're protected from cars and we're talking about single gear bikes that barely go 10 mph?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know. I'm not sure if anyone has those stats specifically. I know that head injuries are the leading cause of cyclist deaths and un-helmeted riders are three times more likely to die from head injuries

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15389588.2024.2363476#abstract

    This is data from Denmark, so a bike-centric country with good infrastructure. It still reports a significant decrease in traumatic brain injury for helmet use in a given crash.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    The question isn't do helmets reduce the risk of head injury, its "is that reduction worth the inconvenience given this situation", for example for most people, walking around their own home has a low enough risk of head injury that a helmet isn't worth it, while riding a motorcycle is, if you have anything to protect.

    The total number of accidents and population in those cities helps. The fact that Denmark doesn't have a helmet law suggests to me that people are expected to have the judgement regarding the risk they're actually taking.

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    • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Def better, but you know, that's still people, so eww.

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    [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Cities should also be greener, not cement jungles.

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    [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Most cyclists I know want more people on the bike paths.

    I've never heard a driver bemoan a lack of traffic.

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    [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Sidewalks don't induce that much demand, need trams and trains and separated bicycle paths with secure bicycle parking too.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Mainwalks are great, but I agree with what you said.

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