GrapheneOS will remain usable by anyone around the world without requiring personal information, identification or an account. GrapheneOS and our services will remain available internationally. If GrapheneOS devices can't be sold in a region due to their regulations, so be it.

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[–] 9 points 7 months ago

Them's fighting words in some states

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  • [–] [B] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This is a crucial stance for privacy-focused OS development. Requiring ID creates a single point of failure and potential surveillance vector. GrapheneOS's commitment to anonymous access aligns with the core principle that privacy should be accessible to everyone, regardless of their ability or willingness to provide identification. This is especially important for journalists, activists, and people in oppressive regimes.

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    [–] 40 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    That is the way. I just don't understand open source projects that have no ties to regions where these dumb regulations exist blocking users from said region. Why is it your problem? If California (for example) wants to block your website, let it be their problem.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Its the Chilling Effect. Fear of breaking a law (even if that law ends up not being applicable to you) is enough to scare people into complying with it. I've seen companies worry about GDPR that have no presence in the EU. Yes, the EU could still fine them, but they wouldn't have to actually pay or even acknowledge it.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    Are there any actual "GraphineOS" devices currently for sale anywhere?

    (I know Motorola has some plans to roll out GraphineOS phones in the future, but this would probably complicate those plans if GraphineOS really prohibits Motorola from complying with laws.)

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (11 children)

    I was wondering the same. I have an extremely old Android that's dying, and as soon as it does I'll look for devices with that can run GrapheneOS. As @Unreliable@lemmy.ml says, it seems Pixel is the only one for now, and possibly one needs a slightly older model as well. That's what I'll look for.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Per their website, everything in the Pixel line apart from the 10a is supported. They will be supported as long as firmware and security patches are available. https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Pixel isn't sold with GraphineOS. You have to install it yourself.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    actually, some websites do sell pixels with grapheneos preinstalled, for example, https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop/category/smartphone-tablet-4

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    1000% do NOT do that! the installation process is simple enough, why would you trust a random third party

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    [–] 68 points 7 months ago

    Fuck yeah Graphene.

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  • [–] 47 points 7 months ago

    That's the bare minimum I expect from them.

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Now we just need to see how different distros handle it

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    What are they going to do when these states hand over a list of violations at $7,500 per violation?

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Are the devs even in a jurisdiction where that matters? Given they're working on a project specifically focused on privacy and security, even if they are in such a jurisdiction, are they actually traceable, or have they been obfuscating their identity with tools like Tor? It might not be enforceable.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    there is a company behind, so they can be identified... but, the foundation is in Canada, so probably California law doesn't apply to them. unless they start to sell their products in California. not a lawyer so I don't know for sure how those things work...

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Ah, yeah, then they can't be touched unless Canada passes something stupid, too. Which in the general global political climate... Isn't impossible. But they may just geoblock California and other jurisdictions with similar laws so they can have plausible deniability. Of course, users could circumvent that entirely a dozen different ways, especially those technically inclined enough to install GrapheneOS, so I'm not sure how much it would really hurt them.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Everyone says so. And then I change the rules

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Dont forget to donate your open source…

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    [–] 34 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Nice to have it in writing.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Agreed, although having it in writing may end up backfiring on the team being counterproductive because it will be used against them when the locations that have implemented such laws use it as evidence of why it should be banned.

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