Them's fighting words in some states
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This is a crucial stance for privacy-focused OS development. Requiring ID creates a single point of failure and potential surveillance vector. GrapheneOS's commitment to anonymous access aligns with the core principle that privacy should be accessible to everyone, regardless of their ability or willingness to provide identification. This is especially important for journalists, activists, and people in oppressive regimes.
That is the way. I just don't understand open source projects that have no ties to regions where these dumb regulations exist blocking users from said region. Why is it your problem? If California (for example) wants to block your website, let it be their problem.
Agree. In fact, even projects that do have ties to those regions. Free & open-source is a stance.
Its the Chilling Effect. Fear of breaking a law (even if that law ends up not being applicable to you) is enough to scare people into complying with it. I've seen companies worry about GDPR that have no presence in the EU. Yes, the EU could still fine them, but they wouldn't have to actually pay or even acknowledge it.
Are there any actual "GraphineOS" devices currently for sale anywhere?
(I know Motorola has some plans to roll out GraphineOS phones in the future, but this would probably complicate those plans if GraphineOS really prohibits Motorola from complying with laws.)
Outside of buying a supported Pixel device and flashing it yourself? Not that I'm aware of.
I was wondering the same. I have an extremely old Android that's dying, and as soon as it does I'll look for devices with that can run GrapheneOS. As @Unreliable@lemmy.ml says, it seems Pixel is the only one for now, and possibly one needs a slightly older model as well. That's what I'll look for.
Per their website, everything in the Pixel line apart from the 10a is supported. They will be supported as long as firmware and security patches are available. https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices
Pixel isn't sold with GraphineOS. You have to install it yourself.
actually, some websites do sell pixels with grapheneos preinstalled, for example, https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop/category/smartphone-tablet-4
1000% do NOT do that! the installation process is simple enough, why would you trust a random third party
Nitrokey is legit. But still, installing GrapheneOS is super easy and used hardware so cheap, you may as well just install it.
this service exists mostly for people who can't purchase a pixel directly. nitrokey ships internationally
Now we just need to see how different distros handle it
What are they going to do when these states hand over a list of violations at $7,500 per violation?
Are the devs even in a jurisdiction where that matters? Given they're working on a project specifically focused on privacy and security, even if they are in such a jurisdiction, are they actually traceable, or have they been obfuscating their identity with tools like Tor? It might not be enforceable.
there is a company behind, so they can be identified... but, the foundation is in Canada, so probably California law doesn't apply to them. unless they start to sell their products in California. not a lawyer so I don't know for sure how those things work...
Ah, yeah, then they can't be touched unless Canada passes something stupid, too. Which in the general global political climate... Isn't impossible. But they may just geoblock California and other jurisdictions with similar laws so they can have plausible deniability. Of course, users could circumvent that entirely a dozen different ways, especially those technically inclined enough to install GrapheneOS, so I'm not sure how much it would really hurt them.
unless they start to sell their products in California
Good thing it's free software
Hopefully, what 4chan did.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c624330lg1ko
Just checked, Graphene is a registered non-profit in Canada.
It'd lilely be to OEM selling the phones in the state, since GrapheneOS is run in a country with different laws.
Nice to have it in writing.
Agreed, although having it in writing may end up backfiring on the team being counterproductive because it will be used against them when the locations that have implemented such laws use it as evidence of why it should be banned.
I think you wouldn't be able to buy the device with GrapheneOS but you could install it yourself, so not a contradiction
They mean the OS itself would still be able to be used anywhere that a person has access to the supported devices and manually installs it themselves.
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