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Systemd adds age verification (github.com)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/privacy@programming.dev
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Not to mention that they locked the unpopular pull request from reactions.

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[–] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Would it be possible to add a layer on top that shows you when an app requests it, and shows you a checkbox about what you want it to report? Or just block the call as not supported.

Faking it to be child (or just random with each request) until you need a higher number could mess up with advertisers and in general fingerprinting.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago*

    I think it is accessed through xdg-protal, and the usage tracking and permission etc. likely happen at that layer.

    The xdg-desktop-portal project is adding an age verification portal (flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal#1922) that needs a data source for the user's age. userdb already stores personal metadata (emailAddress, realName, location) so birthDate is a natural fit.

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    • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    This seems to be Linux's Microslop. Not only did they add it to Systemd, they banned users on Reddit for just talking about it. I laughed when Microsoft banned users for using the term Microslop. Not so funny now, I guess.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    This is where systemd will become what xz damn near did.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    To xz author credit, he bite the bullet and did the work to undue the rogue maintainer's damage.

    Dude doesn't wear a cape, but he could totally get away with it!

    6yo: Hey that guy is naked except for a cape and platform stiletto heels!

    mother: Yeah that's the xz author. He could get away with anything at this point and the world would cheer

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks you for putting the proper context of that. I'm only new to that particular event. I do remember a while back with something something regarding xz and recently, middle of last week, saw the video from Veritasium elaborate upon it a bit. I rare follow title like that but they got me on another one of their vidoe and after my usual roller coast vision into it, I was well and impressed but the way they took it to a meaningful development in logic itself. So seeing them post about this it bit and was floored by how much I appreciate the way the describe all the important concepts that are so difficult to talk to fucking anyone that isn't already a coder. Then, even, it's one way or the other. I don't get too much into software development but I do study culture of it for my true project. RMS philosophy establishes the important basis for computer use but he misses all the basic structure I work for off what I need to establish for what I'm working towards Nothing wrong with that. I'm just trying to say that I respect the show speaking of, toward, and with part of logic of that is an important part of what I am studying.

    The product of those who produce open source, especially FOSS, is fundamental logic for living toward a real world worth living in. It's more than just about computers. I am working with working with computers to study how to say what they said about that and translate that to what we're missing on the other part I was handed to before I understood the relationship of the particular subject I'm focused towards in active cognitive. Even that has only recently focus into something I can see in a wholeness sense. not that I do even begin to describe it. Blah, blah, blah. Communication has only recently been developed to the capability beyond allusion. That latter was achieved by kharma, like a gift but not "earned" but given by enduring a lot of "suffering" that I chose and learned from without questioning myself in my choice beyond doing so just to verify my logic. Which I do do, like doo doo.

    Anyway...yeah. This stuff is important to me, certainly. I like to read well described attributes of such. Thanks for that.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    First step is don't watch videos. Read the article that explains the xz hack in detail.

    Watching a video the details fly by too quickly. Takes time for our mind to wrap around how the hack works. You are not going to get that by watching a video.

    If your foretay is philosophy, please redirect ur efforts to write a license which charges|excludes those jurisdictions and collaborators who facilitate these erosion of our rights. They always have an excuse. And we can always pull out really high numbers, e.g. usd$5T/day

    After that, i'll make you famous by including it into a python package that is fundamental to Python (serious not Mickey Mouse like Django) database and web site development.

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    • [+] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)
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    • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    They add a field you can add a date to if you want. Seems reasonable

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Seems like we should find out who wrote that commit and put a name to it. Then look at any other commits he has ever made and treat those the same way we do malware.

    He shouldn't be a coder anymore. Ask his coworkers or neighbors, as a supporter of the Epstein government, has courts ordered he wear an ankle monitor to keep him far far away from any children or a keyboard?

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    • [+] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (10 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Likely the easiest course of action will be forking systemd. At least we can also stop the AI slop the main contributor also likes, rewrite it in some more maintainable language (not necessarily Rust - languages more close to C like D or C3 could ease porting and make C devs happier), etc.

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    • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Now I am wondering how many distros will use another init after this.

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    • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (21 children)

    No they haven't, they added a field where a user can store their birthday, as required by law in parts of the US.

    Or do you recommend them to ignore the law, and jeopardize the whole project? Do you want linux get banned in California? You are mad at the wrong people

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Literally yes. I want them to force CA and other places considering these laws to actually evaluate the cost of locking their IT infrastructure out of Linux for this. I want them to demonstrate that a relatively small area of the world can't just change the trajectory of international open source projects at their own whim.

    At this point that is by far the strongest option available to push back against this mess, and they just completely fucking trashed it in some misguided attempt to "play ball".

    Now, all the government numptys who don't understand tech will just point to systemd and go "it wasn't a problem for them, you're just being difficult" when it comes to furthering their overreach.

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Yes, they should in fact just state that Californian users are not allowed to use it.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Basically that's the other option. But considering a lot of the maintainers live there, it's just easier to comply with the stupid law until it's reversed.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Linus banned the Russian maintainers. So there is precedent to boot the commie losers off their maintainer role.

    It sucks to lose talent, but they should have moved out of that shithole decades ago. It's on them for still living there.

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  • [–] [S] 26 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Following clown laws legitimizes them.

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  • [+] -7 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Ok, who decides which law is clown and which isn't? You? Or Sam Altman? I guess he has a different idea what laws he wants to follow. See, it's a slippery slope you recommend.

    Change your clown laws, and don't bully projects who just wants linux to become viable alternative to common people. Don't make perfect enemy of good.

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  • [–] [S] 20 points 7 months ago* (7 children)

    False equivalence as privacy is a human right. Article 12 of the UN declaration of human rights.

    People have the right to switch projects and criticize the actions of the developers.

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  • [+] -7 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    So it's the legistlation's fault again, why aren't you mad at them, why only systemd? In other jurisdictions you don't have to use this field. And I don't see anything in the PR about the verifability of the date. It's just an optional number it stores in a db, offline.

    Programmers have to become lawyers now?

    Also a lot other projects has a birthday field, e.g. last time I worked with was LDAP: https://ldapwiki.com/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Birthdate I guess it's there since the 90s.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    The hell are you on about? People can, and are, upset about both. That said, changing a piece of software is monumentally easier than changing laws when you're up against an entire industry lobbying against your interests.

    That's why you see the focus on the software.

    Systemd refusing and telling CA to figure it the fuck out would have been one of the strongest counters to this bullshit currently available, and that option was just thrown in the fucking garbage. Of course people are going to be mad at systemd.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    That whatever happens the problem is always systemd. Chain of events:

    • voters vote for corrupt politician
    • big tech compaies bribe said politician to have shitty law
    • freedesktop requests systemd for backend to comply with said law
    • systemd just adds the field to the userdb

    Who is to blame for all of this? Poettering who else...

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Why aren't coders the only people allowed to be lawyers instead of these political activist clowns?

    The only people who are remotely qualified to be my peers, to have the honour of being in the same room as me, are published package authors.

    So yes, coders are more qualified to be lawyers than lawyers.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    That would work, if LF wasn't incorporated in Cali.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Errr absolutely yes! Either grow a pair or i won't be one of their users.

    Are we going to abide by laws in North Korea or China next?

    Coders write the code, not the Epstein government types.

    We as coders can say absolutely no. Like the doctors should have during scamdemic.

    When will systemd be banished off all servers on the planet?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    @infeeeee@lemmy.zip @Sunshine@piefed.ca @privacy@programming.devOr do you recommend them to ignore the law, and jeopardize the whole project? Do you want linux get banned in California? You are mad at the wrong peopleIMHO, having Linux Foundation and the organizations behind Linux components (such as systemd) to follow the same steps that of IBM back in 1930s (similarly, IBM was just "following orders", amirite?) wouldn't be wise, either.

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    [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Systemd has finally croaked. Time to remove that garbage.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    What is piefed.ca using?
    I know Cloudflare uses SystemD.

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