Worth noting that the Plutonium subscription of Fluxer is irrelevant if you self host - you will have all features available and unlocked for free.

For me this sounds like a perfect compromise. "Discord Nitro" style monetisation is effective and compelling and like it or not a true competitor needs a revenue stream from somewhere and I have serious doubts about the viability of donation-only monetisation at this scale.

Yeah, I guess you're right actually. You pay money and get more features. I tend to think of subscriptions for Open Source more as donations, but Fluxer is a little different.

But, yeah, like someone else said, you can self-host and not pay anything and get access to everything. Did I mention it's fully Open Source without a CLA?!

There were 2.5 major ones for me:

1. Higher upload limit for game clips/highlights. OBS didn't handle transcoding the stream down to a lower resolution without hitting the GPU hard enough to make the game stuttery
2. Higher stream resolution/fps. This mattered less to me as the homies aged and played games less frequently
3. Use the obnoxious custom emoji reactions between servers. I could upload some real egregious shit on a test server and use it in the homie server

lots of customization options for both the interface and your profile, but more important to most people is being able to use emojis/stickers from your subscribed servers everywhere on the platform. This might seem petty, but there's no other software that I regularly use that requires me to pay in order to for example, change the theme of the interface.

edit: that does not include the stuff that I knew I was paying for and was on purpose paying for, like better stream quality and larger upload size and extra shit for my server.

well, better streaming was one of the things that I was knowingly and intentionally paying for nitro for.

Yes same!! They just get confused on what a server is. They dont get that our room on matrix.org is not a server. And what is matrix vs their clients like element commet fluffychat..I try to explain its the client vs the protocol but then I get called a big old nerd 😁

Discord warped a lot of minds on terminology.

Is the idea to make it easier? Cause I am also setting up matrix atm. I don't use kubernetes though. Or is the idea that it will be maybe perfectly aligned with the element client?

We could connect our computers via wires even.

Because you end up with 5 gazillion threads and trying to find the one you were conversing in previously is like finding a needle in a haystack.

That's what I meant tho, you were under the assumption that the author thought that IRC meant text only, and said that IRC supports rich text with images and links and the like. And my point is that that's still text, that text isn't ASCII only, technically.

In any case, I did look the video support that Convos offers, and it seems like an external integration with jitsi (camera button opens a jitsi conference externally and shares the link in chat). Better than nothing for sure, yer subpar for the use case we are looking for.

Thanks for the suggestion though!

I know that part of the issue is the actual protocol, but you might try alternative matrix servers such as tuwunel for potentially better performance.

Resource usage is a common complaint for Synapse hosters, you might find something like Continuwuity more lightweight

movim is a huge PITA to deploy yourself (especially in a container… you’re basically on your own at the moment)

Yeah, hopefully the dev or the community work on making it easier to deploy in a container at some point.

but it seems like it’s trying to appeal to discord users,

It is! But that focus is somewhat recent. The dev recently started a funding campaign to accelerate development, and just landed channels with rooms last week, so it's still rough around the edges, but the pace that they're implementing this stuff is impressive. They're later going to work on having drop-in voice rooms as well.

I have previously read that omemo 2 implementation is insecure.

It's not insecure. The origin of that myth is this blog, however the creator deleted a response left by one of the OMEMO developers, which explained that the newer versions of OMEMO were essentially open betas, and that when a final stable release is made, only then should the client developers implement a newer version.

The Blog author's response to deleting that comment was:

“I’ll make an edit later about the protocol version thing, but I’m not interested in having questions answered. My entire horse in this race is for evangelists to f** off and leave me alone. That’s it. That’s all I want.”

Which I think shows it was done in bad faith.

You can read a longer response I left in regards to that here, if you're interested.

there is no one flagship app for XMPP that works cross platefrom and has all features implemented.

The Movim client is installable on all platforms as a PWA, which prevents confusion. But if you use other clients, it is true that they have differing feature support.

heck I can’t even find a windows that support voip. and their will be none.

Movim is that client. It supports Group voice/video calls and screensharing w/ audio share (a recent addition, which currently requires a chromium based browser to share the audio). Sure, it's not a native app, but neither is Discord (it's just another Electron app).

We need a federated solution now, otherwise we'll all just hop to another centralized platform with all the pitfalls that brings.

As for Movim, I hate using web apps. bad user experience in general.

As the video mentions, it's worth some inconvenience for the privacy, and currently there is no other federated Discord alternative besides XMPP and Matrix (and matrix has way too many issues to even consider, IMHO).

The community adopting Movim or supporting it with donations and bug reports will help it develop and become more polished, and there are efforts to standardize a common XMPP package platform to make deployment simpler and easier. The entire landscape for Discord alternatives all have their downsides, XMPP is the only current option that could become a long-term, permanent solution.

I did the exact same thing. Stuck to my guns, and the only person who mattered followed. I'll take it

I am not as gung-ho on irc, most of my friend group just hangs out in audio channels and such.

But yeah, I cancelled my nitro after 6+ years when they clearly started enshittifying with the "quests" popups and other shite I had no interest in seeing and of course the IPO talks looming sometime last year or the year before.

They have publicly rolled back this particular effort. It’s extraordinarily likely that this will resurface in a few months with a different coat of paint.

Not to defend discord, they’re plenty shitty, but the core ID verification premise may be out of their hands, based on the surge in legislation on the topic globally.