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[–] 86 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Thanks for reminding me!

> yay

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    • [–] 71 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    5 minutes?

    How does one go so long between updates?

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    • [–] 43 points 7 months ago

    with rolling release comes rolling responsibility

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    [–] 40 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    POV: You haven't updated Arch for 5 minutes

    Comparing the date on the tweet with the date when arch released go-2:1.26.1-1, it appears that it had been over a week since the last upgrade.

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    • [–] 52 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    Do you have a minute to talk about our lord and savior, archlinux?

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  • [–] [S] 26 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Does it come with literature?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

    It comes with frequent failures to boot, and every update is a russian roulette that might just force you to spend the next few hours figuring out what the fuck broke down this time.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I don't know what distro y'all are on, but I've been a beginner on an Arch based distro for a couple of years and I haven't had a major issue that wasn't fixed by an update and reboot.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    I don't know what distro y'all are on,

    I used vanilla arch and most popular derivatives, on multiple devices, for something like 5 years. Also, I avoided using AUR whenever possible.

    I haven't had a major issue that wasn't fixed by an update and reboot.

    Meanwhile I'd update and fail to boot. True, for most scenarios I could just roll back and wait a week before updating, but I had to live boot and arch-chroot plenty of times.

    The most annoying was some work backup all in one. I'd update it at most like once a month, it would fail to boot 1/3 times, and i'd rollback, wait a few weeks, and then update again with no issues.

    I gave up on arch after working abroad and having to weigh which install command is more likely to fuck up my system after being too afraid to do an update for like a month.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Well I wasn't going to, but I guess I'll give a shout out to Garuda, which has given me the gift of Arch but spared me any of these problems!

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I used vanilla arch and most popular derivative

    That very much includes garuda... It uses the same repos, it's going to have the same issues. I'm pretty sure the all in one ran it for the longest time.

    Snapshots and rollbacks by default are veru much appreciated though.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Depends. How many virigns in heaven do I get?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Zero, but you'll love the uniform

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    • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    This is not even a meme. I updated my laptop yesterday and here I am doing yet another upgrade with 400mb+ dl size.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I was trawling through Octopi and saw an update notifier. Thought it was neat. Now I won't have to update if there's no updates, I thought.

    I removed it after a day. I could have set it to only look once a day, but realised that if I just update as part of what I do before I shutdown then I basically got the same effect, without being actually notified of anything. I don't think there's ever been a time where I ran an update and it said "nah nothing to do πŸ‘"

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    • [–] 22 points 7 months ago

    Net upgrade size should be in the negatives

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    [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    I heard you like updates. Have you tried Gentoo yet?

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    [–] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Just install pamac, it can update every time you shut down. I don't mind it updating every day if I don't have to babysit it.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    A related thing I've done is I've made it so pacman can't run outside of Tmux. At least not in that shell profile. One of the reasons is I got so fed up with Ubuntu server that I decided I'd experiment with a few servers being Arch. Some might consider that crazy but it's what experiments are for.

    I can't afford to have an ssh disconnect break a system and forcing Tmux prevents me from doing something lazy. Side benefit.. it also means it's easier to not babysit it.

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    • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Oh fuck I havent used my terminal buddy in two weeks and its arch.

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    [–] 27 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    Step one, uninstall garbage like Deno, VSCode, fucking GitHub CLI.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I keep my install pretty clean, for a desktop machine. Though I use a heavier DE (KDE) so that brings a lot of dependencies. But I only install software via pacman/aur that I am familiar with and know I'll use. If I want to futz with something new or just temporarily, I'll do it via virtualization, flakpaks, nix packages, or app images.

    Point is, I try to keep the cruft to a minimum, but I find the meme holds true still.

    I use Artix BTW. For now anyway. But so far so good!

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    • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    just set up a cron job to upgrade your system every 5 minutes

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    [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    That'll be three gigs to download hut we will give you 200 megs of free space back, as far as what's changed? We've further optimized the system for you and you can enjoy using it as before ie more better but nothing you'll notice.

    I understand why but updates that do nothing but keep you up to date are annoying for the user.

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    • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    This is all fine as long as you are not on a throttled connection. I read an blog post a couple of years ago in which the author switched from Arch to Debian for a longer offgrid vacation for this exact reason.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Just don’t update

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    Updating your software is the most important action one can take for cyber security, so no. That is not an option.

    Also the update can fail if you wait too long (mostly GPG keys, which can be fixed)

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    • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I borked my caxhyOS install yesterday with a sudo pacman -Syu......

    Took me about 5 min to fix restoring one of the snapshots in the bootloader

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    • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    That's nothing compared to rolling release atomic distributions. I use secureblue, and every time I do a rpm-ostree upgrade I have a 1-2GB update D:

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    [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Shit! Thanks! I forgot!

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    [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I'd you do every day updates, you are a sucker!

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    [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Between what?

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    [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Pain, back to LTS

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    [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Do it weekly then.

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    [+] -18 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    There should be a law against OS updates more frequent than once a month

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    I mean, just use any stable distro and you can live that life. Arch is good for its own reasons precisely because it's this way.

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  • [+] -30 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Linux guy whipping out the "Actually, it's a feature not a bug" line is very funny.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Yeah I mean, this is the benefit of the fragmentation. If you don't want to update all the time, you just use a different distro. I know I do, I've run Linux for 21 years now and never once run Arch because I don't want what it does, but we're still on the same team, and the things they do benefit me nonetheless. There are drawbacks to the fragmentation, but this is one of the benefits.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    As a rescent convert coming from Ubuntu to cachy os, the update cadence of an arch ibased distro, is something to get used to. It is also one of the main reasons behind experimenting with it. I am.using ubutntu and debian for work related workloads, where stabiloty is more important than having.the latest software. For personal use and playing around, cachy has been awesome. You control your own cadence.with updates. I am doing weekly at the moment, or whenever I need some new piece of software.Β 

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This is not applicable to arch tho

    Each package is updated independently, you pull updates whenever you feel like it, be that monthly or every five minutes

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    Well... with Arch it's unsafe to install new software to a system that isn't up to date at least semi-recently. But you really only need to update as often as you install new things. Or more often if you want to.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    What if your favourite game 1 receives an update and your favourite game 2 gets one a couple of days later. Do you wait the month to play game 2?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    If I haven't beaten game one, it'll be more than a month.

    But synchronizing patch releases so you're not bombarded with notifications would be nice, yes.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Ah yes, reading my monthly blob of my 900 and still growing games library updates, marvelous. Might need a couple of days to just get halfway through.

    And fuck the indie games that relies on direct user feedback by the way, those pesky weekly updates! Stop trying making quality games, folks, someone here is bothered by a notification.

    Oh no the lastest update made the game crash on launch? Well, wait for next month patch then, we wouldn't dare pushing an update notification, that would be horrendous!

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