Funny enough this is what may fuck Trump over big time. Americans have been spoiled by their super low gas prices so the sudden increase is a shock nd he can't blame it on Biden or his other usual go tos.
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Yeah.
We noticed.
They're literally just improvising this war, because the point is to create chaos in Iran and they don't care how bad it gets. These bastards want another Sudan.
Correct me if I am wrong, however isn't destabilizing the neighborhood that you live in is generally a bad idea?
If the choice is between a central organized state that can make missiles to launch at you, or a basket case country with no ability to make missiles because the industry is destroyed and the ones that are left are being fired within the country, you pick the basket case state.
Israel knows at this point they aren't going to get a stable friendly regime in Iran like they have in the Gulf states since popular sentiment is so against them the people would overthrow that government. So if they can't get a friendly state it's better there's no state at all to channel the broad hatred for Israel.
Maybe it seems less so when you have a country sending you free WMD's every week.
Ah but you have changed the regime. You've switched out one that was sorta kinda meh passively loathing you for one that is now for sure actively hating you and seeking your destruction!
Suffering from success?
That tends to happen when Israel attacks them and their allies all the time. And no, this is not an invitation to debate 'who shot first,' this is a stark statement to say that they both have been attacking each other for decades.
Because they don't want to "win"...
Bibi and trump both, they don't want a victory, they want a forever war they can use as justification to cancel elections.
Look at the people responsible for stopping terror attacks, they're trying to make one happen thru sheer incompetence if nothing else. trump is desperate for some type of "attack on America" because he expects a 9/11 style bump in approval, when it's likely to be the opposite reaction if it happens.
While I understand the hypothesis, I am not sure it is working out that way.
Although Trump is trying desperately to find a way to subvert the elections, given the decentralized State based nature of it, it's going to take more than an external war with Iran to justify an internal canceling of the elections. The SAVE Act is an attempt at nationalizing the Elections, but while it's moving it lacks the capacity to jump the biggest hurdle in the Senate. Any Executive attempt at nationalizing the elections has very little judicial basis, which would make it hard to hold up in court. It's dynamic and complex, but it's not as simple as his declaration of marshal law.
That is not to say your sentiment isn't correct. If he can find a way, or his backers can find a way, they will try and do it.
On the second point, Trump didn't get a 9/11 style bump. Indeed it seems to have gone almost the opposite way based on polling. Given inflation and other economic impacts, it might cause more defections before it helps him.
What it has done is push Epstein out of the US new. This too might have been part of the calculus. It is still rippling through the UK and other political systems, but the US has put it aside for now.
given the decentralized State based nature of it, it’s going to take more than an external war with Iran to justify an internal canceling of the elections.
If trump was constrained by a system of checks and balances, sure.
But I think there's a strong chance he "declares" them cancelled, Dem states hold them and Red states don't...
And then we see what happens on 1/6.
Like, we can't just expect them to play by the rules when there entire ethos is "fuck you, make me".
Someone's gonna have to make them... Whether thats words or actions is what we need to find out.
Bibi just wants Iran broken and bleeding. That means nobody else can stop his settling program, aka conquer and colonize the Middle East.
Trump is just there because he thought it would be easy.
They also want the US nose bloodied as much as possible so they throw up our hands, tell them the middle east is their problem now and give them boat loads of cash to "fix the problem".
Trump is just there because he thought it would be easy.
He doesn't do anything without there being something in it for him personally. We don't know what he's getting out of it yet, it could be blackmail threats, Saudi money, or something else.
They want the prophecies
American Christian extremists do...
But their prophecy is for a Jewish ethnostate to start a war that becomes Armageddon...
And to lose that war at which point the rapture happens and everyone globally gets raptured before Armageddon spreads world wide and into "Christian nations".
Bibi and Jewish extremists want to conquer the world.
The alliance won't hold together. At some point the Christian extremists will abandon Israel to bring about the next step; the destruction of Israel. Because their prophecy requires the destruction of Israel.
None of them are working towards the same goal, they're just temporarily working towards the same step, and when they reach it their plans diverege.
With the current war in Iran, the Christian extremists might move to the next step any day. We could see a sudden and drastic reversal in how Republicans treat Israel any day now.
Oh yes, the highly enriched uranium that they only started stockpiling after Trump threw away the deal Obama made with them. The same uranium they offered to give back during the talks, Kushner and Wickoff didn't bring a nuclear specialist in for . And now because of these rich assholes thinking they can do whatever they hell they want a ton of innocent people are gonna die.
a ton of innocent people
are gonna diehave already died and thousands more will follow
Until the poorly behaving wealthy see real consequences in real life for their actions, they will never stop.
Shame and ridicule is useless. They are immune.
True. But the IRGc slaughtered 40,000+ innocent civilians from their own Country.
Justifiable interventional response
EDIT: Yes, there are humanitarian and international law violations occurring in many countries. I oppose those as well. However, I’m not the one making decisions about when or where interventions occur, nor am I a commander-in-chief directing military action.
The bottom line is that many people agree the IRGC are a leading global sponsor of terrorism and have committed serious humanitarian crimes against their own people and others. Allowing such a regime to acquire nuclear weapons is something the international community should take seriously. This isn’t Iraq.
If nothing is done and, in ten years, they possess large numbers of nuclear-capable warheads with global reach, people will inevitably ask why the world stood by and allowed it to happen. By that point, the options available to stop them would be far more dangerous and destabilizing than addressing the threat now. Diplomacy has been attempted for decades, IRGC have demonstrated it won't agree to anything preventing acquisition of Nuclear capable weapons.
Oof that is some pretty shitty reasoning. The US, just with the war on drugs for instance. The peak was over one hundred thousand people dead in 2023 alone. Every single death is preventable, but the US continues to choose to attack the poor and minorities instead of engaging in harm reduction.
Then consider deaths to gun violence. We have lost 1.5 million citizens in the last 30 years. More than every single US soldier lost in every single war we have fought.
Should other nations use this as a pretext to invade the U$ to free its oppressed population?
You're comparing social crises to state-directed mass killing. Those aren’t equivalent under international law or humanitarian doctrine. The threshold people talk about for intervention is typically genocide, ethnic cleansing, or large-scale state violence against civilians.
Social problems like drug overdoses and gun violence are not the same as a government slaughtering civilians. Conflating the two is a false equivalence.
The war on drugs is the very definition of large scale state directed killing. Need I remind you that the real reason the War on Drugs started was to go after minorities. Over a million families destroyed by the war on drugs but not a big deal.
Not only that, but the CIA created the crack epidemic and US drug manufacturers created the opioid epidemic.
Harmful policy and deliberate mass killing are not the same thing.
The War on Drugs has caused real damage, but comparing incarceration and social harm to governments intentionally slaughtering civilians is exactly the kind of false equivalence that makes serious discussions impossible.
I am thinking you are ignorant of history.
https://lawrepository.ualr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2106&context=lawreview
The War on Drugs was a purposeful attack on minorities. You can't whitewash the truth away. We attacked our fellow citizens to appease racists.
The results speak for themselves. Millions of lives lost and you hand waiving it away. You don't get to do this. You don't get to ignore the militarization and invasion of our police forces. You don't get to decide that these people don't matter.
The War on Drugs absolutely caused serious harm and disproportionately impacted minority communities. That’s widely documented. But acknowledging that doesn’t make it equivalent to governments intentionally killing civilians. Harmful policy and discriminatory enforcement are not the same thing as deliberate mass slaughter. Conflating those two things is exactly the kind of false equivalence that derails serious discussion.
Are you actually arguing that the War on Drugs is equivalent to governments intentionally slaughtering their own civilians?
Because acknowledging that the policy caused harm and was discriminatory doesn’t make it the same category of wrongdoing as deliberate mass killing.
So when are you shipping off to Sudan? If you’re so keen on international intervention of domestic killing, Sudan is in much worse shape than Iran.
I didn’t choose the military as my line of work. If I had and was sent somewhere to intervene, I would accept that responsibility.
I support intervention when humanitarian law is being severely violated, but I don’t make the decisions on where those interventions happen.
I chose healthcare instead, and I help Canadians every day.
The regime change is happening on US soil. The ultimate conservative wet dream: The American government is being privatized.
Israel started this war purely to derail peace/nuclear negotiations between US and Iran (twice in 9 months). Killing Ayatolah, and school girls ffs, was a purposeful act to unite Iran to commit to fight. Bombing Tehran oil depots was purposeful act to have Iran retaliate against GCC oil assets. Some Iranian reported attacks on GCC are accused as coming from Israel.
Israel only wants a destroyed chaotic Iran that is incapable of opposing its genocide and greater expansion. GCC turning against the US is perfect if the US helps fight its GCC allies for greater Israel. Never assume that Israel doesn't want the biggest bugaboo monster leading its enemy regimes, or take seriously any "Israel distraction debate/opposition" that peace was ever its goal.
Some things that have slipped out this week is that "US was planning this for months". Rubio and Hegseth are demonically possessed to serve Israel, and it is Trump's entire political capital, despite the massive direct bribes from GCC. They were planning only amongst those 3, but planning on how to best serve Netanyahu. It wasn't a pentagon/security council expert plan.
War can be going to Israel's plan, without pretending that there was something other than a maximally evil plan.
Israel is having us fight Iran for them while they invade Lebanon. Seems to be working out well for the Israelis from their end.
Meanwhile our soldiers are dying for them, again. I'm so over this 'relationship' we have with this fucking country.
I read France wanted to protect Lebanon from any threat but I don't know if they will really try
I hope they do. Israel has harassed Lebanon for ages.
The plan has always been to destroy Iran and its infrastructure. Just like what was done to Iraq and others. They don't care about it having a different government. They want Iran and its people destroyed.
Of course. Yahoo is a fucking dictator.
Yeah I remember how immediately after that strike hit that facility the reptiles in the media started hissing that "ohhh thisss is not over! ssssssss but the uranium issssss technically sssstill in Iran so war musssst go on! sssssss! haha humans are ssssso sssstupid"
An air campaign alone, removing the current leadership with airstrikes and blocking Iranian sea-trade will not win the war. The Russians and Chinese are fucking delighted, because they can evaluate and examine the US weapon systems capabilities. Regime change, it ain't gonna happen until Israel and US military forces can physically occupy Iran.
The Israel/US plan was to kill the Ayatollah and Iran state would collapse without a supreme leader.
Iran's plan to martyr the Ayatollah and fight asymmetrically with decentralized leadership.
Iran's plan is better than the Israel/US plan.
Maybe they should have learned from Lt Gen Van Riper instead of giving each other celebratory blowjobs of winning a rigged war game.
No need for regime change if you just kill all the public there. Seems to be Israrl's plan for Gaza.
An expensive gamble, you lost. Now it's time to pay your dues. Don't do what you fucks always do and manufacture consent.
Iran might have been in the signal chats. I’m gonna take them at their word.
Are you saying the Iranian people are stupid and cannot think for themselves ? Israel and others do not want a regime to build nukes and then blast Israel. Sees pretty clear.
Or... Maybe failure was the goal. If you would claim to preemptively attack a country to prevent future attacks, which then leads to future attacks, why wouldn't you also preemptively use threats of terrorism to go ahead and crack down on civil liberty?
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