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[–] 36 points 8 months ago (10 children)

While this is awesome news (if true as stated), I’m afraid it will lead to a cessation of anti-pollution efforts and a return to the old thinking of “nature will handle it.”

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  • [–] 29 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    What if the opposite happens and "oh shit, all plastic in the world is getting eaten, it's worthless now!"

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    I’m afraid it will lead to a cessation of anti-pollution efforts

    The bacteria release carbon during the decomposition process. So this isn't a "solution" in any meaningful respect. It's an instance of evolution at work, as a surplus resource becomes a food source for innovative organisms.

    Also, we look at this as some kind of "clean-up". In reality, this is a threat to one of our most useful durable materials. It'll likely lead to the development of antiseptics to kill these bacteria colonies, as the last thing anyone with a hard plastic shell on their vehicle or appliance or equipment wants is a colony of plastic-eaters deteriorating it.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    I dont really follow.

    You think people are going to point to this as a reason not decarbon?

    Im sure that idiots will, but those people were never going to make any meaningful effort to decarbon anyway.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I am continuously amazed how people keep confusing plastic pollution with carbon pollution. They are not even close!

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Settle down mate. Im well aware that plastic pollution is not carbon pollution.

    The comment i replied to suggested that solving plastic pollution might discourage people from addressing pollution all together. Plastic and carbon are the most problematic pollutants.

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    [–] 23 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Has anyone considered the flip side of this. if we are unintentionally creating a bacteria that eats plastic, and our civilization is made of plastic, then this is a bad thing. Hospital equipment, airplanes, computers food storage, electrical wires.....

    Don't get me wrong, I think we should end all plastic use. but in a controlled way, not with a plastic eating plague.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago

    Kind of, but there are plenty of paper and wood decomposers and we still use plenty of those. It will have consequences but you already have to service vehicles and you already need to sanitise hospital equipment

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    There are plenty of wood eating bacteria and fungus all around you and yet wooden buildings still exists.

    These microorganisms need a favourable environment to start digesting wood, for example. That's why you can stack firewood outside without it being decomposed, but leave a tree out in the mud and it gets eaten.

    There are exceptions, something like Serpula lacrymans, can bring down whole buildings, but even there the wood needs to be humid enough for it to be attacked by this fungus.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpula_lacrymans

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    We don't use wood for clinical medically settings though or long term food preservation or flying planes or cars etc etc etc. not being able to rot is one of the reasons they are used in these applications

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    To be fair, this has happened before, and I understand it was far hard for the bacteria then.

    There was a time when cellulose could not be broken down. Trees fell and piled up for ... miles? Anyway, then bacteria figured out how to break it down. (We also got coal from the trees that were burred.) Anyway, we still build out of cellulose. Sometimes we treat the cellulose, sometimes we don't.

    Plastic may, or may not, end up the same way.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It could always burn though. And in fact burned easier, with a higher O2 level in the atmosphere. And while bacteria did figure out how to break down some wood molecules, fungi evolved and are the more important wood digesters.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Anyone has a link (or maybe a pdf?) for the original paper this is based on?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago
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    [–] 39 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    “When I was a kid plastic didn’t rot”

    “Okay grandpa. Eat your soylent.”

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    [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I doubt that plastic in a well maintained state will rot fast. Wood rots quickly in the wild, but can last millennia in controlled conditions (kept clean and dry)

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Life, uh... Finds a way.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I've thought about this too. We'd have to redo material science

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That seems quite fast.

    How long have plastics been around? A century? Less?

    When lignin in wood first evolved and trees became a thing 400 million years ago, it took about 100 million years before fungi evolved the ability to digest it.

    There was 100 million years where wood wasn't unable to decompose and just sat around or burned, creating all of our coal deposits.

    100 years for something to evolve and decompose plastics seems lightning quick.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Someday, these items will all be eaten slowly, or perhaps quickly. When will this begin in force? When will it affect our daily lives and health? Will we be able to prepare?

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