I really wanna switch to e/os or graphene (especially on Motorola), but in Denmark you need MitID to live in society and it only works on Android and iOS 😭
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I'm glad to have found the banking app compatibility list from her FAQ and see that a few of the big banks in my country is proven working. This gives me hope of jumping ship from my S24U.
I couldn't have predicted how much shittier Samsung was going to be when I weighed the S24U vs the Pixel 9/10 (the 10 was newer at the time of research thus expensive), as I put a lot of weight on the stylus the S24U have. And Samsung good lock. Had I known that samsung were to
- Disallow bootloader unlock
- And soon in their android 17 update, close off fastboot functions IIRC (please correct me)
I would have bit the bullet getting the pixel 9 and installed graphene. I also got spooked off by overheating issues in hot climate countries and network issues. And in hindsight I think I would have been fine with the theoretical lower performance of the tensor chip vs the snapdragon in my S24U.
I also wished this FAQ existed sooner / researched more properly regarding app compatibility on graphene, so this is wholly my mistake
Cest la vie
I'll do better next chance I get.
Does Android Auto still not work?
It's been working fine for me for months.
I started with graphene a few months ago and it worked from the beginning just following the instructions on the phone to enable it. That said I do recall aention of extra permissions for Bluetooth android auto, which I didn't want. My car doesn't support it over Bluetooth anyway so didn't matter to me, but you may be interested in looking that up (I don't recall the specifics).
IIRC AA leverages Bluetooth to avoid audio conflicts and to further verify you're connected to the correct vehicle. Some setups use it to know when to power up/power down the vehicle's AA hardware. (At least, I have a dongle that does this, because the car is stupid and allows power to be drawn over its USB port when everything else is off.)
It's optional and not really needed.
Sounds awesome, thank you. I tried it years ago and I'm pretty sure at that point they just said there's no support for it. It was the main holdout for me, never cared about the nfc payments really, so I'm excited to try it out again
I used it on Graphene for a week or two back in Sept. That was in the EU and if I recall correctly I used wired Android Auto, so I'm not sure about wireless. It worked well. Car was a Skoda.
I watch the British "Coronation Street" and see them just swiping their phones at a little gadget when buying a coffee at the local diner. Swipe and go, no other steps.
Honestly, the US (where we live) does this surprisingly well, considering how backwards of a country it is in a lot of other ways.
Credit cards, and even debit cards (like the one from our bank), generally have NFC these days, just like phones do. But you don't need to faff about with your phone. Just pull out your card, tap it, done.
No app compatibility to deal with, just as easy as phone NFC, I don't know why that's not the standard over there. (Plenty of people do use phone payments here too though. I don't get why.)
-- Frost
I always found the phone inconvenient too and don't like the idea that Google could get a cut of my purchase. I pay cash and if I use the card, I just tap the physical card on the terminal.
considering how backwards of a country it is in a lot of other ways.
Are magnetic strips and signatures still a thing there? And do people still get actual 'pay cheques'?
Blows my mind that you have to do your own taxes there.
Magnetic strips, technically all cards still have them as a backup, but 99.9% of readers accept all three and NFC tap or chip is usually the go-to!
The train station ticket machines where we reload our transit card only take swipes, though. So it is still a thing in very rare places.
When we first got our "food stamps" card (it apparently used to be physical stamps?? but that was long before our time. now you get basically a debit card that can only be used on food), it was also swipe-only. But then a year or two ago they replaced it with one that has a chip and can even do NFC! Nifty.
Cheques, nah, I think you still CAN get a physical paycheck, maybe?, if for some reason you wanted to?, but basically everyone does direct deposit these days
...at least, people who have bank accounts
that's one reason to get a check. So yeah, those are still a thing, but not common. There are probably-sketchy "check cashing" places in low-income areas that you can take checks to instead of a bank if you don't have a bank, I don't know how that works.
Taxes – YEP. 100% still a thing. Fuck TurboTax & co., they pretty much bribed the government to keep this system because it makes them lots of money (because they can sell you "tax prep software" that does your taxes for you and is absurdly expensive and oh! you gotta buy a new one every year because of minor changes to the tax codes!).
-- Frost
That was the default in the UK for quite a while and a lot of (typically older, I think) people still use a physical card for contactless payment. Most people have moved to mobile contactless payment because it’s just as quick as fishing a card out of a wallet, most people always carry their phone and it has a degree of biometric security that the physical card doesn’t. I don’t generally carry a wallet or cash and haven’t for years. I have all my cards in my e-wallet, including my default credit, bank, loyalty and even my work door access cards on there. If I do forget my phone, I can do all their same from my watch and never have to carry a wallet with a dozen pieces of plastic in. A win for pocket space, if nothing else!
Sadly NFC doesn't work on graphene though
This may just be a me thing, but GrapheneOS works fine on my pixel 6a. Biggest problem is a few other privacy apps I keep installing and sometimes doing abnormal more private niche things only graphene can do anyway.
To you know if wechat or alipay work? I need these while traveling. They use QR codes for payment and other services. I wish this took off everywhere as nfc payments are locked into only a few apps.
They do work, might have to adjust permissions a bit tho.
Use a separate phone for them. The Chinese state can not be trusted.
Neither can the US. It would be nigh impossible to avoid all apps from both countries. Luckily Graphene solves this problem through OS hardening and sandboxed profiles. The Chinese don't have some kind of special magic to defeat those measures. This is why Graphene exists IMO
You can harden all you want. If they physically get access to the device, you might as well run around naked.
Both the US and Chinese state can not be trusted. And throw in Russia as well.
All of them are police states at this point.
We were talking about having apps installed, not physical access to the device. That's a huge difference.
The argument still falls apart even if you do move the goalposts to physical access.
If an attacker gets the device, they will need you to not be able to trigger a lockdown/wipe as they pry it out of your hands. If you can't do that, they will still need your encryption key. Hopefully the device is locked with a strong passcode, and not your face/fingerprint/4-digit birthday. It would be pretty silly for someone to be running GrapheneOS and not do that.
If all those safeguards fail, you're either very stupid or incredibly unlucky. Regardless, it's much easier with GrapheneOS than with stock Android to ensure the device becomes worthless in a physical access scenario.
China, the CPC and Xi are a million times more trustworthy than the Trump regime.
Non starter until tap to pay works consistently.
Tap to pay works perfectly fine on my plastic cards that don't run out of battery or need to be unlocked before I tap them. I genuinely don't see what the big deal is about having it work on a phone.
I personally agree, but (some) people stop carrying their wallets, when they can pay with their phones.
For me it's that 75%+ of my contactless payments trigger an "insert card and enter PIN" check, which defeats its purpose. Presumably because my bank has become super cautious or their fraud detection is managed by a clanker.
I never have a problem with the same transactions using my phone.
Honestly, I'd prefer to use my card, rather than gift transaction data to my phone manufacturer.
If a phone is lost or stolen, at least that security of unlocking to tap-to-oay will prevent purchases from being made. A plastic card, not so much.
It is admittedly more secure.
A stolen card can be used for tap to pay, with not all transactions requiring a PIN with a card. A stolen phone cannot if they don't have your phone's PIN or biometrics.
And most phone tap-to-pay apps will also randomize your card data in the transaction to prevent your information from being tracked or compromised in the event of a large-scale data breach, like what happened with Target in 2013 and hundreds of retailers since.
Exactly. A physical card is simply better in every single way. Imagine the stress when your phone inevitably dies, if you are out traveling and suddenly you have no access to money or communication. Screw that.
I use Graphene. There is some banks that do tap-to-pay independent of Google Pay, but not mine. There is one legit good thing about modern tap-to-pay - it cycles card numbers, making it harder for retailers to track you.
Some of those might be less prevalent depending on where you are. But yes, there's a lot of things to keep in mind.
Also, the plastic card thing is neat, I did not know that.
I'm especially annoyed about how easy it is to traci Bluetooth devices. I seem to remember that newer devices can rotate macs, but all my headphones are too old for that. And I kinda don't want to throw away good hardware.
Oh God, it's an edge case I'll never run into!!!!?!!!
Optimize the median, not this hog wash.
That's a weird hill to die on, I should know I die on weird hills every day
Honestly? You can't just carry around a card or some cash? You're not willing to sacrifice that one convenience to get rid of Google?
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