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[–] 149 points 8 months ago (16 children)

I think if any other (smaller) site were continually posting CSAM without moderation, it would be banned. What's different about X? The fact that Elon Musk runs it and he's in with a powerful dictator?

At some point you have to admit the CSAM is not the problem, it's the person running it, whether they have the power to stop you/fight back or not.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    not just banned, but there would be criminal charges brought on the owners.

    Musk should be prosecuted for distribution of CSAM.

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  • Absolutely. And soliciting Epstein for sex with minors. Let's not forget about that. He was begging to get on the island and get some underage tail. It was pretty pathetic.

    He should be held liable, but he won't be. Not by people who do the same thing.

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    What's different about X?

    Well, you kind of said it yourself: The fact that, since it's sadly still one of the largest social outlets, there's a whole economy around it. If Europe banned X tomorrow, a lot of people and companies would take a non-negligible hit to their revenue. We can argue that probably these people are not a majority of the other half of people in Europe that don't want X gone, but in the end, politicians and lawmakers care about money and (in a very distant second place) what the majority of their constituents say.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I wonder how feasible it would be if they'd announce a deadline whereby it would be blocked and recommend people and business to move onto a federated alternative.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    You and I both know people, politicians, journalists would just move to Threads before they move to the fedi or Bluesky or any FOSS alternative.

    They want an algorithm.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    They wouldn't suddenly ban it though.

    Any ban would roll in without enough time for people to switch away. Twitter doesn't do anything special that can't be replicated elsewhere.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    I think if any other (smaller) site were continually posting CSAM without moderation, it would be banned.

    On what legal grounds would that happen?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Confiscate every server that X uses as evidence. Same thing you do with any CSAM case.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not a lawyer, but I've read (on sites like Ars Technica that cover technology) about dark web sites trading CSAM being shut down. By the FBI in America, by Interpol in the EU... I don't know what legal grounds they use to do it.

    You don't think CSAM should be illegal? Or you genuinely don't understand why it is, or what law it breaks?

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    How about we just fine them to oblivion and make the people responsible answer for their crimes?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    How do you enforce the fines? Wouldn't you have to invade the USA to enforce any meaningful fines?

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Shouldn't they want it banned because it already broke the law? How many lines have to be crossed before anyone does anything?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I’m not clicking the link to read this but these sort of headlines are often a result of their survey intentionally wording things like this to spin the narrative. Anyone who does in fact want it banned immediately would still say yes to the question. I’d suspect there are many such folks across Europe.

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    And ban Facebook too. It’s been breaking the law a lot longer!

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I'd rather not see a great firewall of Europe.

    I'd be happy to see them banned from doing business here though. Hit them where it hurts, their money.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    Weird to be that low for "continues to break the law."

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    They'll immediately ban "from the river to the sea" and prosecute everyone who says/displays it. but a multinational corporation is just allowed to break the law and maybe the politicians will at some point allowed them to face the law.

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Uh. You do understand that this law breaking includes not cracking down hard enough on illegal content? Like that Hamas slogan?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (9 children)

    I'm expressing how much their laws are bullshit. they are draconically applied on people protesting a genocide. while the question of "should the law be applied to corporations" is left open as a debatable topic.

    Laws are made to protect the ingroup and bind the outgroup.

    and even though it was an example of their hypocrisy and not the point of the argument I'll say it regardless

    From the river to the sea Palestine will be free

    From the sea to the river Palestine will live forever

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Uh. So... Prosecuting bad. Not prosecuting those who do not cooperate with the prosecutors also bad because hypocrisy.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Do you think maybe some laws can be bad and others good and that encouraging enforcement of a good law doesn't mean encouraging enforcement of the bad ones?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    my point is: Why when it comes to the public, laws are enforced to the letter, but for corporations, the question of "should the law apply" is a public debate instead of a "Duh. of course"?

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah. I understand what you mean. That is simply not true. Ok, teachable moment.

    In Germany, that slogan is considered a Hamas slogan. Hamas has been classified as an extremist organization. That means that using its slogans and symbols is illegal under the same laws that make Nazi slogans and symbols illegal. That's the hate speech and illegal content that online platforms are supposed to remove.

    Failing to crack down on hate speech is one of the biggest complaints against X. If you demand that authorities to enforce EU platform laws harder, then what happens is that this slogan is suppressed harder. You understand?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    That slogan is not antisemitic, Germany just wants to crack down on protest on a genocide they are collaborating with, that's the real crime.

    Laws need to apply to everyone, otherwise they aren't laws. I'm just complaining how the state uses their laws, rugged police state for the poor, clemency for the rich.

    again, as a Jewish person who used to live in Israel:

    from the river to the sea.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I can tell, you don't understand what's going on and that's scary. Unfortunately, it would still be scary if you did. But at least you would be able to have a positive effect on the world for the better.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    i understand that European states who finance that genocide also took steps to prosecute protests, like what you're talking about, and how the UK illegally prosecuted people for supporting Palestine action.

    if you can't see it, that's on you. it's been obvious since day 1.

    And in no way shape or from "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is antisemitic. if anything Implying genocide is a Jewish value is the most dangerous antisemitism being pushed by zionism, which is a settler colonial political movement.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago

    i want it banned even if it doesnt

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago

    I want it banned regardless :D

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago

    I don't like the idea of "banning" users from accessing a website. But I am certainly in favor of banning sovereign companies from doing business with the company that owns a website, and seizing any physical assets that the website company owns within the laws reach.

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    I would like to know the percentage between if they break the law and regardless if they break the law

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    More than half are ok with any company breaking the law?

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    According to a new YouGov survey, a vast majority of respondents in Germany, France, Spain, Italy and Poland (60-78%) think that the EU should take further action against X if it does not address breaches to European law brought forward by the Commission last year [1]. The majority of those (62%-73%) who wanted further action – and 47% of total participants – want X to be banned from the EU if it refuses to address these breaches [2]

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    20% being fine with it is still worrying to me.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Nearly half? Sheesh.

    Maybe it's because most Europeans don't have a strong opinion about X. I really don't think it's quite as popular here as in the USA. Which is also the reason many don't know how unhinged the current admin is.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    To be fair, the only time I used Twitter was in a data science course that required to capture some data from the "firehose" (unsorted and unfiltered realtime stream of tweets). Other than that I never cared for it. Wouldn't affect me at all if they ban it, so it's easy to be in favor of such a ban.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    banning this website would be super good for Blue sky and mastodon

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    I want it banned here too.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Ditch it.It will have 0 to none effect of EU. And Mr.NaciSalute won't get broke.Mastodon is the way.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    100% of this European want X banned without further ado.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Ban it, do it, we are not gonna cry!

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I say that, in order to save the species, ban all social media, everywhere.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    That's literally not possible.

    I'm not talking about from a practical standpoint I'm talking about from a theoretical standpoint.

    Given that social media being a form of media where humans socialize with each other is not something that can be banned because humans are intrinsically social creatures and modern technology facilities media based communication.

    What we don't need is social media banned. We need regulation and enforcement and teeth for those regulations.

    Almost all of the bad and negative parts of social media are results of companies driving profits and engagement at the cost of everything else, including the well-being of their users (Such as artificially, inflating, negativity and division because that drives more engagement).

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Make the platform liable for the hate posted on them. They have algorithms manipulating what we see, those same algorithms send those messages to us for profit.

    Hence the justification form holding them liable for content. Civil suits will destroy them in no time.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    That's an abysmally bad idea. This would be a wet dream for companies like Meta.

    Effectively that would lock in the monopoly by huge social media platforms and absolutely no one would be able to try and make alternatives.

    That idea would raise the bar for entry into social media to such a degree that only establish platforms can maintain themselves.

    Which would make things like Lemmy, anything on the fedaverse, any third-party or fledgling social media platform....etc defunct overnight. And the only options would be existing, abusive, monopolistic, corporate managed platforms.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Those are rookie numbers.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    If X fails to respond to the Commission’s fine, 70% of respondents were supportive of repercussions [3]. Among those, between 17-28% think that further fines should be given to X, between 23-29% believe X should be banned, and the largest segment - between 40-52% of those in favour of repercussions - believe that the Commission should fine and ban the social media service entirely from the EU [4].

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    It should’ve been banned long ago. It’s insanity that, it is not banned yet. There’s so much illegal content through Grok and so much* hatred on X.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    And yet most politicians here still use it. Any that's still using it I consider a child rapist and fascist/nazi enabler. Sadly that leaves very few left to vote for.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    What is a Israel sozial media application?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    How about just banning it for the good of humanity?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    And there is our main argument against ChatControl.

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    ChatControl is pushed with the excuse of CSAM. If that was a true concern of the proponents, we would have a push towards stronger and faster enforcement of the DMA and in particular of X. Instead, nothing.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    I see. I have some doubts about the motivation of these people, too. But regulators are going after X.

    Consider that the chatcontrol equivalent would be going after services that don't spy enough on their users.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I'm sure they expressed this on X.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    i wish this was worldwide

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    I want them banned even if they aren't. Twitter is a shithole and has only made things worse since Elon has taken over. If people aren't gonna move off it because it's a Nazi shithole then force them to move off.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Please put an X on X!

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