Found this graph online for anyone who might still be confused. I think this makes it much more clear.
The Overton Window is known to many but still most can't see how it shapes acceptable politics. What's left and right in the US is shifted so far right from most other democratic countries.
These memes remind me of my high school religion teacher (I went to Catholic school in Canada, "religion" was what you would call Civics) who introduced the political spectrum. He wrote the usual line across the chalkboard with left/center/right labels, and explained what they were. Then, he extended the chalk line to the right, off the board and onto the wall, and continued past the corner onto the next wall. He was about half way to the back of the room before he started writing down names of any of our political leaders at the time. I don't remember most of the names from 30 years ago, but Conrad Black was on the back wall.
I don't think I would say Hillary Clinton was to the left of Joe Biden. At least he had Lena Khan and a strong FCC. Something I don't think Clinton would have ever done. I would reverse those two.
For that matter I don't know if Obama is to the left of him either.
Every political discussion is civil until you say “maybe states shouldn’t exist”
Democrats today are Republicans of 1980s-90s, in my opinion; without a doubt in regards to corporations and billionaires specifically.
"The New Deal" is a dim memory of the beforetimes
The right-left divide is a fabrication meant to obscure the fact that the actual division is capitalist-socialist. Do you support the owning class, or do you support the working class?
That ratchets been going for decades!
Who is this guy in right side from Trump?
Could someone clarify the watch this space part?
In other western democracies, the US democrats are seen as the equivalent of the local conservative parties.
There is no real US equivalent for European leftist / social-democratic parties. The US republicans, on the other hand, are like the borderline illegal Nazi / nationalist rightwing parties that Putin built up and strengthened in the last decades all across Europe
Now watch Schummer fall in line with Trump, now that the Iran war has begun. This is how we know he was never a lefty!
Never have been.
The true irony being that anyone who ever thought the upper version was the US political spectrum also likely has no idea about a century of Dixiecrats and how Southern conservatives after the Civil War all aligned as Democrats as a "Fuck you" to Northern Republicans - Lincoln in particular. IIRC, it was post-LBJ era and push to get Nixon elected that finally flipped the labeling back, which should tell you all you need to know about him and the conservatives.
Bernie isn't far left by international standards, but I wouldn't put him in the centre. Nobody in the centre is trying to make radical changes to things. What Bernie is proposing is pretty radical compared to where the US currently is. And, I think if those reforms actually passed, he'd still be trying to move things even more to the left.
And Biden as "far right"? It has lost all meaning if you're applying that label to him.
There is no left or right anymore. There are only fascists and antifascists.
No way fr? It's like being a liberal doesn't make you a leftist and that you can definitely be a right wing liberal
's kinda all I was trying to say with https://lemmy.wtf/post/34844222
No matter where you are on the left, they're not there.
Because that's not even left.
Who is making the claim otherwise? The term tossed around is socialist and more ignorantly communists.
Leftist everywhere else means RABID ANARCHIST
In a sane world centre would be 'status quo making decisions based on objective reality' yet somehow even the idea that we should base our decisions on verifiable data is like super extreme gay communism left by current standards.
Disillusioned since 'Hillarycare" scandal 1993. US is run by popularity. Social media seems to run the head space of every US citizen.
Id say biden is center and bernie is left. Bidens policies were often more left than obamas. But its also hard to but them on the same scale that was made for european politics. Biden actually had a few policies which msde trans peoples lifes better while on other fronts supporting policies that would be pretty far right in europe. Europe is generally more economic left while the us is maybe more left socially but idk its quite complicated. Also mamdani isnt on this but same with him. Id say hes center left. Definitely not full left or how trump likes to call him a radical leftist.
Certainly feels that way
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