Found this graph online for anyone who might still be confused. I think this makes it much more clear.

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[–] 20 points 8 months ago (10 children)

To avoid taxes on “owning” people:

none of those whose misfortune it is to have slaves as attendants will visit the City if they can possibly avoid it; because by so doing they hazard their property

when slaves who are happy & content to remain with their present masters, are tampered with & seduced to leave them; when masters are taken at unawar[e]s by these practices; when a conduct of this sort begets discontent on one side and resentment on the other, & when it happens to fall on a man whose purse will not measure with that of the Society, & he looses his property for want of means to defend it—it is oppression in the latter case, & not humanity in any; because it introduces more evils than it can cure.

it being among my first wishes to see some plan adopted by which slavery in this Country may be abolished by slow, sure, & imperceptable degrees

Whoever apprehends the said Negroes, so that the Subscriber may readily get them, shall have, if taken up in this County, Forty Shillings Reward, beside what the Law allows; and if at any greater Distance, or out of the Colony, a proportionable Recompence paid them, by George Washington

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    it being among my first wishes to see some plan adopted by which slavery in this Country may be abolished by slow, sure, & imperceptable degrees

    Honestly, I could see this as being better than the alternative -- better than having a Civil War. Especially if it was started during Washington's time.

    Say, just pass a law that says no new slaves can be imported and anyone born after the law passes is not born a slave, no matter the status of their parents. Then, (hopefully) slave owners don't get all violent over losing their 'property', and slavery is slowly abolished in the country over the course of a generation.

    Is it as good as complete, total, and immediate abolishment of slavery? Hell no. But if it could have ended slavery without a war that killed millions, maybe it's worth it. Especially if it was done in Washington's time, such that slavery would already be essentially over by the time the Civil War would have otherwise started. So, on the balance, less people suffering under slavery overall. Pragmatism?

    Oh well, who are we kidding? The slave owners would never have allowed such a law to stand, and they'd start a different Civil War about it if nothing else worked.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Just for reference. It was more than I thought.

    Our national estimate is 698,000 Civil War deaths. This is substantially higher than the conventional historical estimate of 618,000 but lower than the most recent estimate of around 750,000 deaths based on a 1% census sample.

    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2414919121

    New estimates of US Civil War mortality from full-census records
    Joan Barceló, Jeffrey L. Jensen, Leonid Peisakhin, and Haoyu Zhai
    Edited by Margaret Levi, Stanford University, Stanford, CA; received July 25, 2024; accepted September 25, 2024

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Oh wow, defending a slaver for wanting to keep his slaves? I wasn’t expecting to actually encounter one in the wild today. JB-shining-aggro

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Oh come off it. I'm not defending the fucker. Just saying that a slow, gradual abolishment of slavery that started much earlier might have been an overall better outcome, with fewer people enslaved and fewer people killed over it.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    That is indeed a very nice goal. But is it practically achievable?

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