Donald Trump is considering a possible executive order that would require banks to make sure customers are U.S. citizens to create or keep their accounts, according to a new report.

The proposed action, reported byThe Wall Street Journal, would see banks collect information on individuals’ citizenship through requests for a new category of documents in order to open the accounts.

The Independent has contacted the White House for confirmation or further information about reports of the executive order, which has reportedly raised eyebrows among some banks in recent days.

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[–] 61 points 8 months ago (12 children)

Let's pretend this passes and becomes law. Now imagine a nationwide call for people to do a run on their bank, and pull out all their money. Even when the banks try to limit withdrawals, it doesn't mean you can't come back at some point and keep withdrawing.

Not everyone would do it, but eventually the news would be running in panic mode, as would investors.

I'd imagine the banks would be keen to demand a reversal of the law real quick..

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    You wouldn't even need to organize some mass campaign to get people to pull money out. This thing will trigger a bank run all on its own. Do you think the banks have enough reserves to immediately cash out the accounts of every non-citizen? Sometimes a bank decides it doesn't want to do business with someone anymore and will close their account. If that happens to you, they send you a check with your account balance on it. But we're talking tens of millions of people here, many with substantial amounts in US accounts. This order, if implemented, would cause every bank in the country to collapse. They just don't maintain the reserves to cash out that many accounts all at once.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    If only people worked together like that, we'd do amazing things.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    If your bank is legally required to unilaterally take your wealth from you at the whim of Trump, everyone with wealth will put it elsewhere. Historically, bank runs are much harder to stop than start.

    The same concern looms over govts threatening to sieze accounts that belong to the Kremlin over Ukraine. If anyone does it, they are implicitly signaling to their other clients that their funds are not safe from political strife.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Let’s pretend this passes and becomes law.

    It's en executive order. Nothing to pass, and it probably will get defeated in court unless they can venue-shop and route it to a corrupt judge.

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  • [–] 99 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Damn, thats crazy.

    Did he release all the Epstein files yet?

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    no, but he likes to uses EOs as distraction from epstein.

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    I'm certain that suddenly de-banking all green-card holders will .. do wonders for the US's innovation-position, globally .. won't it?


    Ideology masquerading as "thinking" never legislates properly.

    Bullying idiots, with their oversimplification "reality" they're doing their bullying in.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Corporations are not citizens, so all corporate accounts are toast as well, right?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    Corporations have the same rights as human beings. Corporations are in fact, in the eyes of the law, people.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Corporations are in fact, in the eyes of the law, people.

    People, sure. But are they Citizens? They can't vote, they can't run for or hold office, so it seems they aren't.

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (17 children)

    So what would happen to all of those bank accounts of people on work visas?

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    …or legal permanent residents…

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Seriously! Anyone who thinks about this for half a second realizes the repercussions of only allowing US citizens bank accounts. Are we just eliminating immigration entirely now? Immigrants have to prove that they are financially self-sufficient and doing that without a bank account is... effectively impossible. Every legal permanent resident would be immediately unable to function in society. Most jobs require direct deposit into a bank account these days and won't issue paper checks. How do you even pay rent or a mortgage without a bank account.

    It would be absolute chaos.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    It would be absolute chaos.

    So a Trump Presidency term.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

    Can you even cash a cheque without a bank account?

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Yes, but only at select places, maybe some banks but usually a check cashing place, and they charge a big cut of the check.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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    Then there's the racket of paycheck lending places, where you get an advance on your next check for a big fee/interest. A brief solution for those who are that desperate for money now, but it digs a deep hole that many fall into.

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  • [–] 48 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Yeah that’s gonna generate an absolute shitload of lawsuits.

    Also, way to go speeding the shift away from the USD as the de facto global reserve currency. Jesus tapdancing christ.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    this is their goal, they're trying to collapse the US economy. disaster capitalism is all that's left when all other fields are taken/captured by effective monopolies. there's no room for organic growth, just smashing shit to the ground and buying up distressed assets on the cheap

    we have done this boom/bust cycle many times now

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The article makes it sound like Trump's racism against Somais and hatred of Ilhan Omar has a basis in fact and sanewashes his invasion of US cities by armed goons. Not unusual for the often-shoddy journalism of the oligarch-owned Independent.

    One thing that is correct that many people posting here seem not to understand is that there is no current residency requirement to open a bank account in the US. Some banks will refuse because of their own policies, but that's it. You have to prove your identity, not your lawful residency status.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Do you want to collect less in taxes? Cuz this is how you encourage cash under the table compensation agreements. Fuck it, make it a law you have to be a citizen to own a home, trade stocks and buy anything that is not food. Ill get my citizenship from Niue where they have an average annual population growth rate of 1 person per year and ill go full on undocumented illegal who follows the lae by not paying taxes!

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    be a citizen to own a home, etc

    That's part of the point, eventually. You just start narrowing who's a "citizen" from there. It's why they want to get rid of birthright citizenship so badly, because then you can make up whatever test you like, and potentially even say "alright, NOBODY is a citizen unless you go and present yourself for racial profiling/pass a test/etc" or whatever.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    So now republicans are cool with the government telling businesses who they can and cannot do business with?

    I'm not sure whether to file this one under projection or just good old bigotry.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    So now republicans are cool with the government telling businesses who they can and cannot do business with?

    Democrats are cool with it too.

    When it passed, 80% of the democrats in the Senate voted YES for the Immigration Control and Reform Act of 1986; which is the law that makes it illegal for business to hire undocumented people. It was later signed into law by Reagan. More Democrats actually voted yes for that bill than Republicans. The bill was even introduced into the house by a Democrat.

    What a 180 the left has done on immigration.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    So if someone is a permanent resident are they just expected to keep their money under their mattress?

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Their what now? That's ICE's money. After the pulled the immigrant out of his bed, that money was just laying there. Nobody owns it, so it's finders keepers. /s

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    No need for the /s. In the Land of the Free the swine can just keep it. Legally.

    (Technically it has to be involved in a crime, but ICE are criminals, so anything they do is by definition involved in a crime. And it's not like technicalities have ever stopped other pig breeds from stealing people's cash anyway.)

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I didn't even need to click on the link to know it pointed to civil forfeiture. The fact that they're not required to destroy whatever they steal creates one hell of a perverse incentive to keep doing it.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    He truly is the stupidest man I've ever heard of...and I knew a guy who boiled his sliced bread because the toaster was broken (true story, and he procreated...a lot).

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  • [–] 54 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    It’s long past time to kill executive orders. Even the times they are used for good, they are often legally dubious and live on the whims of the courts.

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    They need to go back to what they were originally intended to be. It wasn't supposed to be a way to enact new laws, it was meant to give agencies direction on how to go about enacting and enforcing laws passed by congress.

    The whole system is broken and corrupt though. So no simple fixes for any of the issues unless you consider tear it all down and start fresh as simple.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It wasn’t supposed to be a way to enact new laws, it was meant to give agencies direction on how to go about enacting and enforcing laws passed by congress.

    EOs should be considered dead on arrival and unenforceable unless they begin and end by listing which laws passed by Congress they're meant to enforce and enact.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    You can’t really kill them. Technically it’s just the President saying do X or Y.

    On their own, they have no effect in law.

    They only instruct the Executive Branch on how to operate WITHIN existing law.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    The executive branch seems a bit... Too expanded if that's the case.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Well much of what he is ordering is already illegal. So passing more laws sort of justifies his lawlessness.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    Bank runs are great for the economy

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    Why is that pedophile not in prison yet?

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    They can open up Cayman Island bank accounts just like the billionaire tax evaders.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I think this will ultimately lead to Trump hoovering up the wealth of his enemies, by closing accounts and having banks transfer the assets to his own hoard. DOGE stole information from the treasury, so Trump has a list to work with.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I wonder if the goal is to push more people into crypto to prop it up?

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Just waiting for that inevitable heart attack…

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Damn. Instead of releasing the Epstein files, he's really gonna shoot the USD in the foot some more. I bet they're stupid enough to also try to confiscate that money. Watch those Benjamin's become toilet paper real quick.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    But Deutsch is free to keep the money flowing to POTUS, family, and friends!

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I'm sure this is the way to solve the affordability crisis.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    What are the odds this is some weird play he's doing on his/his sons stable coin?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Having done as much research into this as the average mom does into vaccines…

    I’m convinced that this is a monkey throwing poop at the wall to see what sticks. Monkeys don’t seem to have much of a cohesive plan, it’s just kinda funny to throw shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Now I see where the ICE bonuses are going to come from

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