Mike Hardaker, who has maintained a Reddit account for 20 years, has been shadow-banned on Reddit. He has posted an update on X, stating that Reddit requires an ad spend to restore organic posting. This demand was given to him in writing.

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[–] 50 points 8 months ago (5 children)

He posted this on xitter. It goes in the trash along with reddit.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I mean, if you want more than three people to see the post...

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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    The bigger news here is that Reddit, as a policy, allows bot posting (organic posting) as long as you're buying ads from them.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    C’mon, is it news? Isn’t that the reason we’re all here?

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I mean there's gut feeling and then there's real actual evidence.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Exactly.

    It's one thing for Reddit to be taking action against automated posting and just be doing a shitty job. At least they'd be TRYING to fight against this source of toxic societal corrosion.

    It's a whole other kind of immoral to see that their anti-bot activities are simply cover for the enforcement branch of their ad sales department. Bots are not against the rules at all, spamming communities to create false consensus is A-OK with Reddit as long as the check clears.

    Fuck Spez even more. I heard he was a moderator on r/jailbait for quite some time, btw

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  • [–] 110 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    First mistake: Staying on Reddit. Fuck Spez.

    Second mistake: Complaining about Reddit on X. Fuck Musk.

    Let's just hope this user stays away from substack next.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I’m new to this, is substack not the place to be for writers?

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  • [+] 28 points 8 months ago (5 children)
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    I think most people unsubscribe from r/all anyway and subscribe to subs related to their favorite hobbies and games and work related info. Most of my frontpage is for video games I'm currently playing, programs I'm currently using and odd fun subs like moviemistakes or maybemaybemaybe. I wish I could do that here.

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  • [+] 8 points 8 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I can't figure out how to unsub from the Lemmy version of r/all. So I'm getting latestagecapitalism, politics, politicalmemes, various communist instances. 80% of what's on my page is politics. I'm not interested in that.

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  • [+] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm using the website. After what you said, I checked and it has Subscribed/Local/All at the top of the page. That's really nice. I just started using Lemmy so I haven't completely figured it out yet. I use old reddit, so it might be set up the same way as new reddit but I wouldn't have known.

    Edit:

    What are hidden posts?

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  • [+] 52 points 8 months ago (9 children)
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    It's a variation on a reddit as I understand it, an unusual sex move. Organic posting is where, well, you don't want to know.

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  • [–] 50 points 8 months ago (15 children)

    That's nothing. I was permabanned for inciting violence or whatever they claimed, which broke rule #1. My "violence" was calling AI stupid (more or less) wishing it'd go away. Ironically, the mod bot banned me.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    My ~19 year old account was permabanned after three strikes that involved two upvotes of Luigi pictures and then— after seeing a vid of Trump falling asleep— saying he shouldn’t wake up.

    Then my alt got a warning for “disparaging communities” after I said one of the two PDX subreddits started so they could talk shit about houseless people, which is a fact.

    Three of those were flagged by AI, the last one— the warning— was a person flagging it and couldn’t be contested.

    It’s gone to the dogs.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I'm jealous of all y'all who know why you got bans.

    I've gotten warning and temp bans, but they never specify why. They never include the content. Just saying promoting this or that is very unclear, like how, when, where? Did I actually?

    I always just ignore them and carry on on alts for a while.

    Their shit is so stupid. But there's a lot of useful content on Reddit. I still hit up old house and DIY type groups, cause I own an old house, and specific tech groups because of the tech I use, but I don't miss the rest.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I left before they could ban me. I'd most certainly be gone by now.

    Getting rid of that algorithm was probably the second most positive change I made in my life in the past 5 years.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I need to get back on for help on some stuff. Was just trying to find a plant or drug free to order to take the place of adhd medication that would enrich my life but I am unable to get because puritanical lawmakers have made it near impossible for people without quality insurance to get it. I need help with other work stuff, etc. And there aren't enough people on here for a lot of it, especially niche subjects. This time I want to just use reddit for that, and keep time wasting on lemmy here, although to waste less time, winter I've more time to waste.

    But my recent violations they link to the comment but it doesn't show anything just a page that had a removed comment, so you only have the title of the post that it got removed from. It used to show it. I contested one, and pointed that out, and they just ignored it and upheld the violation. I never got permabanned though I've cycled through idk, 6 or more accounts in a few years, but increasingly often, 4 just last year I think so more than 6 total, my first for a year and a few months then quit for over a year and a few months after a second violation for racism for something that wasn't against the rules, or even related to race in any way whatsoever, completely unrelated, was going to quit forever.

    But I abandon them after a second violation with a 3 day ban, after the 1st violation I get a second pretty soon, but with a new account the heat seems to be off. Don't want the permaban as I want it for help with stuff.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    I pulled a 3-day ban for calling ICE racists. Must have really triggered one of the racist mods.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I am on a 7 day ban for the same sort of thing, pointing out how ICE targets brown people. "Inciting hate", how is pointing out hate crimes the same as inciting hate? Fight the power.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    You got violated for upvoting luigi? I said all sorts of shit with no action on that, although I did get a 2nd violation and abandoned that account and when I came back with a new account all luigi content was gone except for pics which my posts don't seem to go through on somehow.

    I got one for saying musk should be riding in his own spaceshit, for advocating violence, apparently it's just presumed it will blow up. What else, for accurately stating a cultural difference with another country that lacks sewage and running water for half the population and has a problem with feces polluting the ground and water, India.

    We can't even talk about cultural differences, and problems in society, without getting violated for disparaging others apparently. God forbid we accurately recount a historical situation where some nationalist is embarrassed for the outcome.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    Mine came from simply saying that a drone would probably take care of a Russian solder seen in a video on crutches heading toward the front lines in Ukraine. Literally just that. Not saying it with any joy or approval, just a statement of fact. Phrased pretty damn much like I said it in this comment here.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I keep hearing stuff like this, makes me wonder if they are even honestly getting those moderations wrong, or if they are pretending to get it wrong to ban you for other reasons. My violations were often in bad faith for other reasons that I got violated for I believe. Did you get into any arguments with like Influence agents for a powerful group? Ie Israel but not limited to.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago*

    if they are pretending to get it wrong to ban you for other reasons

    Oh, this has to be a very common behavior.

    Or making overly strict rules because you plan on selective enforcement from the get go.

    People will weaponize anything when they are fighting for an advantage.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Probably me shitting on AI was frowned upon. It was a news article or something something to the tune of 'data centers for AI are stealing jobs faster than know' and I said once they're built, its low maintenance bc all the automation. So AI data centers replace people with AI agents and then automate BACnet to maintain the building. Would be a shame if it caught fire and the building AI was compromised and let burn the regular AI...

    I'm spitballing my answer, but apparently that was a call for someone to somehow set fire to a datacenter or something even though I never said those words. It was poking fun at the Anikin Skywalker meme "you destroyed the very thing you were meant to protect" kind of shit. Or better yet, when Task Manager freezes.

    I'm sure it didn't help I was the creator and mod of several 2A subs with a good size following. But never any violence, it was hobbyist stuff. Everyone was civil.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Oh yeah that makes sense. I've backed off several comments about how the data centers are vulnerable because I just know the technofascists are going to be super aggressive going after anyone suggesting anything about data centers blowing up or whatever.

    The farthest I've gone is bringing up that in the french revolution the first thing the peasants did when they heard the news was mob their local clerk and burn their records building.

    I am curious if there are any vulnerabilities to them losing data. Figured I'd get violated for asking on reddit.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago

    If you didn’t leave when the API pricing went up, everything is your fault.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago

    Fuck you u/spez.

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  • [–] 148 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    So let me get this straight. Some jerk off looking to advertise his site by spamming links on several subs was hoping to AstroTurf COUGH I mean organically post... And Reddit Ad Team saw that and figured they could milk him for some dollars? So this doucher takes to Xhitter to try to get sympathy?

    Ahh capitalism at its finest.

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    wut

    Unless the article is absolutely lying, it mentioned the subreddits wanted the posts and couldn't overcome the sitewide ban (i.e. manually approving the content). Your comment is a really huge stretch there.

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  • [+] -44 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Hardaker is the operator of Mountain Weekly News, and he regularly used to contribute to three or four subreddits

    So I am going to stop right there and ignore any conceivably ingenious reply you may come up with to justify and spin what the dude is actually doing. Spend enough time on Reddit like the grownups around here and you'll eventually understand.

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  • [–] 60 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Listen, kid, I've been on reddit since 2009. I hung out with the admins in IRC back in the day. I was a default mod for a while, and I'm the "father" of /r/nottheonion.

    There's plenty I don't know about reddit and life in general, but on this topic, clearly I know a fuck ton more than you.

    There was a time on reddit when self-promotion was against the rules. That rule was dropped something like a decade ago.

    The simple fact is that - from at least the article's telling - the subreddits wanted the content, and in that case, it is absolutely fine and encouraged for someone to submit.

    There's a guy making youtube reviews of restaurants in my local city's subreddit. The content is popular - people like it. So we absolutely are happy to see him post. Is it self-promotion? Yes, technically. It's also relevant to the subreddit and desired by the mods and members of the subreddit.

    You're like the people saying "dis a repost" when someone CROSS-posts. Note that reddit has a BUILT IN SYSTEM for cross-posting, but there are redditors who don't know that.

    So, little boy, you can take your condescension and /r/confidentlyincorrect along with /r/iamverysmart and fucking LEARN something, or go off and continue to be willfully ignorant.

    Disclaimer: If the article's reporting is incorrect and the subreddits considered it spam, well, that's not what the article said, and I don't otherwise have other knowledge of it, nor do I care enough to google for any other possible sources. But that's the informatio you're working off of as well, so there's that.

    PS: To add a light-hearted end: I'll go to /r/dontyouknowwhoiam now :) (that name seems too long. Is that the right one/ Well, you probably know what I mean and I'm too lazy to look it up :P )

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Once I got banned like a thousand times within the span of 5 minutes because I reported a pro-Trump post as child abuse. I assume it really triggered some admin.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Sound more like you learned the hard way what "abusing the system" mean.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Oh, no, I didn't give a shit, I burned through Reddit accounts like nobody's business. The fact that the admin was so triggered as to sit there, banning and unbanning me, just to spam me with notifications, was the greatest possible reward I could have ever asked for.

    First thing I did on the new account was report the exact same post. Didn't get banned.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago
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    Fuck Reddit

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago*

    Can anyone tell me what the fuck an organic account and organic posting is? Is this the def?

    Organic social media refers to unpaid content that individuals and brands share on social media to engage audiences without paid ads or direct selling.

    And if so, wtf. I mean, I expected nothing less from the Reddit zionist cesspool, but still...

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    At least they put it in writing. They suspended and deleted all of my 15 years of posts, comments and moderating without even a good by. Fuck Spez, and Fuck Reddit may they reap the whirlwind.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago

    "I got caught trying to advertise for free and they want me to pay for it like everyone else!"

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    [–] 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I don't know who this guy is, but the fact that he is crying on twitter about being shadow-banned on reddit tells me I don't really give a fuck about him, his opinion, or his perceived slights against him.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    an ad spend

    When you're off the used car lot, 'spend' is still only a verb, and the word you wanted here is maybe 'purchase' or 'deal'.

    'The spend', 'the ask', and other cheese should stay back with the pre-owned Pontiacs.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago*

    It's corporate speak, imo.

    I hate it too.

    They also like to call everything "assets." Not a "picture" or an "image" or a "decoration" or a million other descriptive words. It's all "assets." When the corporates talk like that they are emphasizing ownership and profitabiliy. "Put that money-making thing we own there." "Lisa, which folder did you put that money-making thing we own in?"

    🤢

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    It's actually a proper term in current marketing parlance. You can find it in glossaries in AppsFlyer, Adjust, and any of dozens of other digital marketing applications.

    Ad spend is the amount of money a marketing team spends on digital and traditional advertising campaigns.

    In the OP this differentiates it from a fine or paid feature. They're are literally requiring them to buy advertising to allow them to post in an open forum.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    there are still people on reddit? thats a bot hell

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Remember when users used to flood reddit subs to find support, real opinions, express dissatisfaction, criticize bad feature/products, and warn others?

    Now, the people who complain get flooded by astroturfing bots run by marketing agencies to say they're holding it wrong, not important enough, doing something wrong while praising corporation overtaking governments.

    Now that Google has partnered with reddit, they get to have many searches sending troves of people there expecting solutions or like minded people or community support.

    So, yea there are still people.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The person in the email strikes me as a contradiction. On the one hand, they're posting their pronouns presumably to indicate some sort of support for inclusivity? On the other hand, they're actively strong-arming and bullying a person into paying for normal access...

    I'm sure it's fully lost on that person. It feels so discordant to me.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Organic posting = euphemism for spamming

    If the support specifically says that you are a spammer, then you're a spammer.

    I do not have empathy for spammers

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Just one asshole fucking another with a double-headed dildo. That's all I see.

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    Fuck reddit and all the admins that attempt to run it.

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    You mean a company that owns a platform is operating it only to make money? Shocking. You already were fooled once with the first reddit exodus. Now it is just shame on you for expecting things not to go this way.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    REDDIT is most AI and propaganda posts and bot posting.

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