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[–] reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (5 children)

How long have you had it? No issues?

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[–] jeffep@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Distribution support outside of the standard Ubuntu/tuxedo os was terrible for a long time. The fan support was essentially broken on my laptop except on the officially supported systems. Your can manually compile the (bloaty node.js) tuxedo control center, but instructions on GitHub are wrong and incomplete.

I recently saw that they now added support for Debian 13 though, so that might be worth another try.

There is also a community project tuxedo-rs but with limited device support. Doesn't support fan control on my device but is much nicer than the original otherwise.

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[–] Evil_Incarnate@sopuli.xyz 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

I have one running Arch. Works well, AUR has the tuxedo control centre and Tuxedo provides a short guide for Arch.

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[–] jeffep@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Add I said, some models are supported, if you have a different one good luck

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[–] dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 0 points 8 months ago

I would not use an unsupported OS on a laptop, of course you had trouble with it. Laptops have always been notorious for having worse hardware support in Linux.

This is not a ding against the laptop.

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Which one did you pick?

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[+] _Nico198X_@piefed.europe.pub 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How's the build quality? Is it all aluminium, or just parts of it? Is the touchpad glass/haptic, or regular plastic kind?

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[–] theo@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I've got a similar model. Build quality is pretty good. Although I have had issues with the speakers and one of the charging ports (there is redundancy here tho as it comes with 2 USBC). Chassis is all aluminium. Not sure exactly the touchpad material - probably plastic, with no haptics.

Overall the design is modelled on Macbooks with great screens and similar shape, but with handy extras like some actual ports.

They are just white-labeled from other companies so you might be able to find them cheaper, but overall they are sold at a fair price compared to mainstream brands.

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[–] draco_aeneus@mander.xyz 16 points 8 months ago (1 child)

I genuinely thought that this was a meme about stereotypes around how different countries name products for a second.

[–] Kkk2237pl@szmer.info 2 points 8 months ago

I dont get it tbh

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 15 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Well, "european". But have to start somewhere.

[–] Kacarott@aussie.zone 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

Are they not?

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago

The brands are, yes.

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Parts are not. Didn't look more to see if assembled in the EU or just designed in

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[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Well if you look at parts then a european or even US laptop is just not possible.

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[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

Very good list of recommendments, also my choices!

(To be fair, there are more good ones in that thread, but I'm not complaining).

edit: also, there's Novacustom which is Dutch and lets you customise a lot of shit.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Your link didn't work for me. I had to wait several seconds for a redirect that then said "there's nothing here."

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[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

Weird, for me it says it's a blahaj zone link and works

this one uses a feddit uk link - does it work?

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

Yes, thanks, that one works.

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[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Actually had a terrible experience with star labs, not recommended

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[–] IanTwenty@piefed.social 6 points 8 months ago

What happened?

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[–] Beacon@fedia.io 22 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Are these available in the US?

[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 4 points 8 months ago

Tuxedo and starlabs both ship to US. First time hearing of slimbook for me.

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[–] gtr@programming.dev 10 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Which of them laptops have a track point and three mouse buttons so it can be actually used on the LAP?

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[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

I'd love that, but I'd also happily accept two mouse buttons and a normal touchpad over one giant buttonless panel.

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago

I had that on my work ThinkPad. Never used them, tbh. Much easier to just tap and hold if I need to move something.

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[–] ransomwarelettuce@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

sir, ebay is that -> way, we do not have old thinkpads. /s

honestly laptops are becoming the new phones, all look the same, and a reasonable priced ones can do whatever I want to do on a laptop.

so boring . . .

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[–] gtr@programming.dev 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

Just saying, they are not produced in Europe which is what this post is about. 99% of laptops are trash nowadays.

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[–] ransomwarelettuce@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

they ain't even being produced anymore, so u are not supporting murica anyway.

now eBay on the other hand is prob not the best on the topic but each country got it's alternative, here in Portugal it's Olx.

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[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

Starbooks get assembled in the UK.

Tuxedo is manufactured in Germany.

Slimbooks get finished assembling in Spain.

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 months ago

Tuxedo is manufactured in Germany.

Assembled, not manufactured. If you look closely, you'll notice that Tuxedo's InfinityBook and Slimbook's Evo have the same exact body.

They both source them from Taiwan.

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[–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago (5 children)

How are they in terms of reparability?

I really like the ethos of framework.... alas, they are from the US. But if you are going to buy any US tech, you can't do better than them.

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 3 points 8 months ago

Yeah, I would switch from my Framework to a Slimbook if they offered upgradability.

They could make parts that work to the Framework spec, that is open source, which would he awesome.

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[–] MoffKalast@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago*

When you think about it, framework makes the perfect work laptop.

Why?

They are too overpriced to buy for personal use, but a company doesn't care and will write it off in five years, at which point you can buy it for basically nothing, order a new mainboard, polish it up a little and you have yourself a brand new high end laptop for under a thousand. The system does not account for actually repairable electronics :)

https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986

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[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

I really like the ethos of framework

Yeah...

Of course that's "just" their CEO. Some nice Linux first devices, though.

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[–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

Just read the literal second post with their reply man

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[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago

The CEO's non-replies and eventual silencing of all discussion is exactly the point. Support continues, customers ignored.

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[–] Decq@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

How is the experience importing from the UK these days? I have avoided the UK at all costs since brexit. As I didn't feel like possibly having to deal with customs and delays, etc. Is it better now, including automatic taxes? Or best to still avoid it if there is a reasonable alternative?

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

At least in Finland last I did 2 years ago it was still a pain, and extra taxes

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 7 points 8 months ago

Man, I really miss when we had home computers to rival the Americans, like the ZX81.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 5 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Anyone knows how's StarBook's support and general quality? The Horizon looks pretty damn good, but is pricy, compared to Tuxedo's Aura 14, and Tuxedo has a super cool support app built-in to their Linux distro.

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[–] hushable@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

Linux support? amazing, been running Debian on it no problems, everything working out of the box. Customer support? no idea, I had no need to contact them

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

You have a StarBook? Would you mind saying which one? I was all but decided on a Tuxedo, but then I saw how (seemingly) sexy the Horizon looks, and now I'm a bit on the fence... :D

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[–] hushable@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

sorry, I misread, I have StarLabs Lite, not the Horizon. But I am seriously considering upgrading to it

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Oooh, that's even more interesting! OK, tell me more, please! :D

How's battery life? They say it's "up to 12 hours", but I'm assuming that's "lowest brightness, no BT, no WiFi", staring at a black wallpaper"?

Which OS did you go with? Debian? And were there any issues with drivers for the touch-screen?

Do you have it with the keyboard/cover? Does it automatically go to sleep when you close it? Same with the power button press - does it go to sleep and then recover without issues?

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[–] hushable@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Battery life is good, not 12 hours, but I would say closer to 8 to 10 depending on usage. Charge time is a bit long since the battery has a lot of capacity.

Everything worked on Debian out of the box, I'm, using GNOME and did not have to configure nor setup anything extra. Sleep works fine and I have setup the power button to that behaviour. Sometimes when the battery is too low (say about 10%), then it won't wake up from sleep even tho that ought to be enough juice to keep the computer running for about an hour still, that might be a BIOS setting I haven't bothered to look into.

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 months ago

Thank you, that's super helpful! :)

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[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 29 points 8 months ago (5 children)

American CPU, made in Taiwan, assembled in China, and somehow European tech?

Let me know when it’s a RISC-V laptop made at STMicroelectronics with memory made at GlobalFoundries in Dresden!

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 39 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

The post clearly says European brands.
There is no European-made x86 CPU available.

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[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

yet

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[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

It will take at least 10 years to establish a manufacturer in Europe. What are you supposed to do if you need a computer now?

(mind, you should always buy secend-hand)

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[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 0 points 8 months ago

Coma. Nature's time travel device.

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[–] Nilz@sopuli.xyz 11 points 8 months ago

Sadly GloFo has its headquarters in New York (state) and is owned by a UAE investor. So would you really call that European then?

Besides that it doesn't seem to produce or be capable of producing DDR5 and focuses on logic instead.

Nothing is perfect.

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[–] Muscle_Meteor@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 8 months ago

The biggest down side of my inifintity book is that my right shift key is a painful stretch. Because they use full sized arrow keys and the up takes up the useful half of the right shift.

So half the time i hit up instead of shift and start typing my sentence on the wrong line. Its fucking infuriating.

God knows why they made that choice but next laptop i will be sure to watch out for that

[–] yuumei@feddit.uk 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I have a star labs Byte. It’s an intel n355 that sits under the tv to play emulated games it runs time crisis pretty well :) and it runs jelly fin/sonar etc to transcode stuff to Apple TV. The other nice thing is the bios is open source coreboot. I’m currently trying to silence the fan which at least is possible because of the open source bios

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Does it run Paradox games too?

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[–] yuumei@feddit.uk 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

I have a feeling it would struggle with Stellaris. It struggles with Halo 1 two player fyi, I think it's more a CPU issue than a GPU issue

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[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

Hmm, interesting. I was considering to switch over from a Macbook Pro (13 inch, 2017 model), to eg. a Starlabs Starbook (or Starfighter), but wasn't sure considering the Paradox games. The Macbook runs them fine with 8 GB, except for late-game Stellaris & Imperator.

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Are they any good

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago

And are there models actually for sale or is it all RFQ/vaporware?

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[–] randomname@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 8 months ago

I also like:

https://novacustom.com/

https://minifree.org/

Both suppliy computers with Coreboot firmware.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social -5 points 8 months ago (12 children)

Fedora is an American distribution.

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[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That slimbook afaik also comes with non-Fedora options. Fedora is developed by the community, so I wouldn't worry too much, but, in case;

I asked about this before

tl:dr; if you care about it being beginner friendly, go for Linux Mint. if european & privacy is important, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.

i'd also go for the GNOME one, that's more beginner friendly à la "less is more". KDE Plasma is more customisable.

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[–] Meshuggah333@piefed.world 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It doesn't matter for open source.

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[–] Tehdastehdas@piefed.social 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

, we said about Android and Google.

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[–] Meshuggah333@piefed.world 3 points 8 months ago

Yes, it's backed by Redhat/IBM but it's a community project. If things goes sideways it'll be forked and continued as if nothing happened. Using any Linux distribution, you're using tonnes of US software. They are still absolutely free and open, this is not comparable to Android that proprietary parts and locked in hardware.

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[–] Blaze@piefed.zip [S] 5 points 8 months ago

Looks like they actually have their own distro https://slimbook.com/en/slimbook-os

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[–] reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Out of curiosity, why if fedora considered American?

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[–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Fedora is put our by Red Hat, which is owned by IBM, an American company.

That being said, I use Fedora. Its a great OS.

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[–] reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I didn't know about the acquisition. That said, not all things American are against EU interests. And this one is free and open source.

I use Fedora too. I'd switch to EU owned, but I need something stable. Hopefully EU government support for open source grows stronger

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[–] Dojan@pawb.social 3 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

openSuSE is German. I’d say that’s pretty stable.

I don’t care so much about the origins of an OS honestly, but since fedora is owned by Red Hat and IBM I don’t want to touch it. Particularly given IBMs involvement with AI and other such bullshit.

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[–] reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

I might try this. I saw opensuse Aeon. I use silverblue. After using an atomic system, I'll never willingly go back. The stability is wonderful

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[–] Dojan@pawb.social 2 points 8 months ago

I use Tumbleweed on my main PC, mostly because I remember upgrading systems being a bit of a pain back in 2008 and I rather liked the idea of rolling release. SuSE also made snapper, a BTRFS snapshot manager.

The only time I’ve had problems with my PC is because of NVidia driver updates.

Aeon looks interesting though. Going to look into it deeper. I’m in the process of switching my main work computer from Windows 11 to Linux, and I’m contemplating what would be the best option for stability and maintainability. Nix has been appealing but it feels like that might suck too much time on maintenance, one of the reasons I want away from Windows.

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[–] Blaze@piefed.zip [S] 3 points 8 months ago

OpenSUSE is an option. Tumbleweed is stable and has btrfs snapshots by default. I found Leap ironically a bit less stable, the default installers wasn't as polished as TW's last time I used it, so the experience was a bit less intuitive.