And yes, I know people will say block keywords and communities, but people don't understand some communities have rules and people must follow them.

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[–] 65 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I won't say all rules are valid or right, but this one just makes sense (in contrast to rules of some other communities, which outright ban certain opinions). Sometimes you don't want to hear about all the doom and gloom, and for many people, it's not good for their mental health to hear about it all the time. They know what's happening, they need some time off.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, sometimes on the old place, you woukd seeposts removed for being political, on like, a news sub.

    Like WTF, basically all polotocs literally is news, though not all news is political.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    That said, I'm fine with having a general "news" that allows it all, "political news" that is strictly political, "apolitical news" that allows everything else but politics, "uplifting news" that is actually uplifting, "climate news" that is specifically about that, "science news" etc etc. This is the internet we can make the comms, we're not running out of room to store them.

    I think part of why it's like this here is that in the beginning, before the exodus, it was necessary to keep comms broad because there were like 12 people here, but now it's like 3y on, and I think we can get more specific now.

    Another, larger part is the annoying hexbear and grad users, after annoying everyone so hard with oh y'know putting their politics where it didn't belong ("weird" that it's the same issue now) they got largely defederated, they started migrating to alts on other instances and instead of learning their lesson on why nobody likes them and pushing their politics where it does belong they just continue because the evangelism is the point.

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  • [+] 49 points 8 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] [M] 83 points 8 months ago (20 children)

    This got reported as being not twitter or equal. I'm kind of on the fence about this. I see their point, but the original was twitter. Please tell me what you think in the comments, not just downvote or upvote. This will guide me in the future if we have any more posts like this.

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  • [–] 56 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    It probably shouldn't be allowed in the future, but given that it has > 300 up-votes and is only now spurring a finer definition of the rule, I think it warrants an exception. If OP reads this, they now know to post this kinda thing in a different community in the future. But removing this particular post seems a little harsh.

    Edit: This is an awesome approach to moderation btw. People like you make lemmy great, thank you!

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I was searching for a community to post it, but I couldn't find any. This one seemed closer to the idea l, a post where it says something. I also think I saw a photo from Facebook in this community, so...m Maybe we need a community about posts like these, but not twitter.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Do whatever, ruleslawyering is not helpful. Is the community enjoying it? It stays. Is it detrimental? It gets removed. The "rules" should be more like guidelines to suggest to posters what type of content the intent of the community is, not what type of content is permissible.

    Is someone posting vaguely in the direction of the intent of the community? That would be good enough for me.

    Anyone trying to separate posts into increasingly niche communities (like the asinine dontdeadopeninside and nosafetysmokingfirst split on reddit) is not helping the community of posters and lurkers.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    The “rules” should be more like guidelines to suggest to posters what type of content the intent of the community is, not what type of content is permissible.

    I totally agree. Rules number 1, 4, and 5 are the most important, in my opinion. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be rules in the communities; there definitely should be rules. Guidelines for what to post instead of what not to post will probably be more beneficial.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    I don’t tend to think of wpt as specifically twitter posts. Maybe that’s how it started, but over time it has become a more generalized “screenshots of short text posts” type of thing in my mind. The “or similar” in the rules leaves a lot of ambiguity, but in my mind Twitter was always about short text posts, so any short text posts would fall under that “similar” umbrella. I wouldn’t object to seeing something from Facebook, Instagram, or Reddit being posted here as long as it was a text post and not super long, so it feels disingenuous to complain about a Lemmy post being here.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Especially since, twitter isn't even twitter anymore. And the only thing you are going to get from what twitter has become is ragebait, bots, and racism. For "whitepeopletwitter" to continue and not end up dying from lack of content, it needs to start opening up to other sources that stick with the same idea as what twitter used to supply.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    the original was twitter

    As in, the post was originally on Twitter? I'm not sure what this means

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Fighting to remove as many posts as possible on Lemmy when we barely get any posts at all doesn't make sense; ignore the people requesting you take a popular post down for some potential technicality.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The problem with cute animals now isn’t politics, it’s AI. I don’t want to watch ANY AI animals. Just the thought of being tricked into watching even 1/4 of a vid that ends up being AI, or giving it $$$ via views, has destroyed /awww and all the rest.

    I hate this timeline.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    I post in a lot of animal communities, and while I cannot speak for others, I do not knowingly upload AI. I even started checking with AI detectors, which is not something I’ve had to do even a year ago.

    I think the rest of Lemmy (at least the core users) are very anti-AI and, like me, might only upload it by accident. So I assume good intent until proven otherwise.

    What makes me feel better about Lemmy is knowing that no one is making money off of me. Even if I do end up falling for some AI - there are no influencers making a buck off it unlike on IG and FB and TikTok.

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  • [–] 81 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I already block so many keywords and communities here. It's hard to keep up.

    Thank you mods for helping keep some places free of US politics.

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  • [–] 57 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Daft_ish has got a real problem if they're that outraged by the mod's response. I've seen plenty of powertriping arseholes to be mad at in my time, but this isn't it.

    US politics, including about the ICE murders, is spoken about more than enough across the English speaking internet.

    I know as much about current US politics as I do my own country's politics, because you can't get away from it without blocking most posts on here.

    Which is to say that some of us would just like to have a space to NOT talk or think about politics, including US politics.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Which is to say that some of us would just like to have a space to NOT talk or think about politics, including US politics.

    Inb4: "You're just privileged enough not to have to think about it."

    No, I just want a brief goddamn respite every once in a while, everybody deserves that. Just because I want to be able to escape into a fantasy world sometimes doesn't mean that I never talk about politics either, it's like cheating on your diet, just let me have a fucking cookie every now and again ffs!

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    This 100%. I care about politics. I deeply care about what's happening with our country.

    But I've had to pare down the places where I see it. I've stopped watching Last Week Tonight because it makes me feel so powerless on what I have control over. I absolutely love the show but I just....can't anymore.

    I'm acting locally, participating in whatever protests I can, calling and emailing my reps as often as I can.

    But man...the right's "flood the zone" works effectively and I can't just keep burning out.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Exactly. We're not blind or don't care about politics. I'm more than aware of my country's problems and the US's...

    But how am I meant to not burn out on this stuff if I can't get away from it?

    Sure I could just detox from social media and go work on something that interests me, and that's what I do most of the time...

    But sometimes I do still want to chat with others, and it'd be nice to be able to do that and have it not be about politics.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I know more about US politics than my own country’s politics, which is a problem because it’s an election year and the Nazis need to get out of parliament.

    I need to get into the details of things so I can do my civic duty, but I’m fucking exhausted from all the American politics that for my own sanity I just don’t want to.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago*

    Exactly. The far right of most countries barely even need to try anymore, the US has gotten so good at flooding the news that they even burn out people from other countries from the constant cynicism

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It wasn't even a shower thought.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I don't understand why have comms literally about politics and world news if you're just going to post the same stuff to any other comm that really doesn't need that kind of content. If people keep ignoring what belongs where, why have comms at all? Idk, maybe it's my OCD talking...

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Yeah, so when I go to shitpost and people start taking the posts seriously, I try to say hey folks, look where you are, this isn't a serious community, let's keep the shit light.

    And so yeah, when folks shoehorn political agendas into literally any community they can, I'll point out how it's got nothing to do with the community, and how it's frustrating, because it does not further the community, it just furthers that person's (or bot's) agenda.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    As somebody who just came here from Reddit, I find all of these communities refreshingly free of American politics.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    On a side note, welcome.

    If you haven't figured this out already and your front page feels stale, then switch around to "Hot," "Top 6 Hours" or "Active." Active is the default and feels stale on topics.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I have the complete opposite experience, I almost cannot escape it here. My reddit infinite scroll was way more diverse, here it's exclusively american politics and linux, and if it wasn't for linux I would quit this whole platform

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Brb gonna post this in a political community, because community rules don't matter the other way so I should be good, right?

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    That being said. Is there a community to post thoughts that may be political in nature? Pretty much all of the communities I’ve seen (politics, etc) only allow links to articles in their rules.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    I'd be interested in seeing a politicaldiscussions community that would allow for that. I just don't have the time or energy to mod something like that or create and maintain a set of rules that would keep the discussions fair. I'd be hard pressed to find a way to prevent brigading and encourage positive discourse, even where I disagree.

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Time, place, audience. Daft_ish thinks Lemmy needs a reminder that Alex Pretti was murdered in broad daylight? Imagining them walking up to Greta Thunberg while she's eating a vegan soup for dinner and reminding her about how awful commercial fishing is

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago (17 children)

    Not saying mod was wrong but… It’s weird how we define politics.

    Like, if portals started randomly appearing all over the Earth, spawning little goblins that like to turn human bodies inside-out, that would pretty clearly not be politics — but only for like 2 months.

    After a while, the political parties would settle on their positions (probably with one of them calling it a hoax), and from that point forward saying “I can’t believe people are okay with the inside-out goblins” will be labeled “political”.

    Which I guess is basically how fascism wins so easily. As long as it’s impolite to acknowledge the horrors of the world, it’s okay for them to continue.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    Still, though - c/showerthoughts?

    Like, in all seriousness, I don't think lack of ability to flood a Lemmy community, least of all the one in question, is going to have any effect on the matter. Like, at all.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    If literal hell on earth was happening, and I was spending most of my real world time dealing with it, and there was nowhere I could go to escape from it and people exclusively talked about it all of the time, I would kill myself. We are allowed to stop talking about it sometimes.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (12 children)

    We're not the ones commiting the horrors of the world, nor are we the ones able to stop them. It's not our job, duty or obligation to be confronted by them at all times, in all aspects of our lives.

    Using it as an analogy, how does going to a bunch of kids who can barely take care of themselves and asking them to save the world actually help?

    The people on fediverse already know about the horrors, most are against the horrors and are trying to help. They don't need more requests or more prodding with a stick. They need more thanks for standing up instead, if anything.

    The target audience is the wide world beyond this place. The ones that can help but don't. The ones in charge or the ones putting them in charge.

    A successful social interaction requires selecting the right audience and the correct circumstances. And a lot of the communities here ain't either.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (11 children)

    We're not the ones commiting the horrors of the world, nor are we the ones able to stop them. It's not our job, duty or obligation to be confronted by them at all times, in all aspects of our lives.

    This was the attitude of millions of Americans.

    I don’t disagree with you at all, you didn’t do this, you aren’t responsible for it but it’s here nonetheless. My kiddo is recovering from surgery right now, it wasn’t his fault, he didn’t ask for it, but if we didn’t do something about it, he would have had terrible repercussions from it. Did we have to do it, no, we could have just noted it and hoped it would take care of itself. Was it unfair, absolutely. But he’s got meds to take, and even though he didn’t ask for any of this, he’s doing what he needs to to get better.

    I’m truly sorry, as someone from one of the places fucking up the world. I too did not ask for this, and I’ve been trying as hard as I can to prevent and now stop this. The horrors will continue, it’s happening in places all across the world, I hope it doesn’t arrive for you.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (8 children)

    Ok, so would you like me to follow you around lemmy and constantly remind you of your kid's surgery on every single post, or would you like to continue being able to talk about things related to whatever community you're in so that maybe for a brief second you can have a bit of peace?

    I'd be willing to do that for you, if you feel like you're missing out and like people shoving politics where it doesn't belong just because "it's here nonetheless," I can shove your personal issues where they don't belong for you and hopefully that cheers you up.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (7 children)

    Sigh, analogies are a bit much for some people huh?

    Sorry if some folks have shower thoughts about things that are happening in the world. Ignore the thoughts you can’t handle or grasp. The world has a lot of shit happening and a lot of people take showers.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (6 children)

    Sigh, counting is just too much for some people. Turns out c/showerthoughts has more than one rule: must be showerthought. That is rule 1 but you'll notice rule 3 is quite clear:

    6594

    And they even offer an alternative appropriate community right there. So, y'know fuck off and stuff.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

    You are very angry about this. I’m conversing about the post here, I haven’t said a thing in showerhoughts. Doesn’t mean I don’t have an opinion.

    Have a lovely day friendo.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    Well, "the post here" is talking about posting political things in showerthoughts, a community with a rule saying "no politics," and yes I'm very angry that I can't even get a short respite from politics even where it's disallowed by name. It's incredibly annoying and contributing to political burnout not just for me but many others here too. You repeating the same line as those that ignore the community rules, "it's happening regardless," isn't super helpful, and on a post where they're all here defending their evangelism, yeah you came off as defending it too.

    I don't care if "it's happening regardless," when I go to c/dogpics to avoid it for a brief break I don't need it there too, thus cheating me out of my break. It's the internet equivalent of my boss making me work through my break at work and it's just as annoying. Have all the opinions you want, just don't post them in some community with "no opinions" in the sidebar and we're all good.

    You have a nice day too pal.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    So don’t do the thing you seem incapable of doing and do not engage with it. I never forced you to read my posts, and this is a public forum where people can downvote to their hearts content.

    The reason I’m even mentioning it is as a discussion. I’m not doing it, but I am also observant enough of human nature to know some rules on the side of the page won’t do shit. Just like the politics, either do something about it or ignore it.

    Otherwise good luck changing reality.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    I'm capable both of wanting a place to escape politics, and talking about how such spaces should be respected, and when the evangelists aren't spreading their gospel where it doesn't belong I can sometimes actually visit such spaces. This is the "talking about how such spaces should be respected" part, which happens to be on topic for the post about how such spaces should be respected. Nice try hun.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I get that you do, so downvote, get yourself an instance and ban accounts that break the rules, I’m 100% for it.

    My initial post I was both agreeing with the comment about the sentiment, that they shouldn’t have to be confronted with it. The rest was an attempt to illustrate why it’s human nature and inevitable. I ended it saying I’m sorry assholes do it. I meant it both politically and in support of the sentiment.

    So you attack and swear at me when I agree but happen to acknowledge that it’s going to fucking happen and suggest you learn to ignore it.

    Grow the fuck up.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Oh I do downvote it a lot and ignore as much as I can, but on a post about it where it is being discussed I think it's appropriate to discuss it. And so, discussion.

    Murder is "going to fucking happen" too, doesn't mean I have to "just ignore it bro" instead of saying "murderers are dicks and should stop murdering."

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Lemmyshitposts doesn't have a rule against political posts and I fucking hate it. Shitposts are sacred. A shitpost is just silly, irreverent humor. That's it. The moment you bring an agenda into that space it changes into something else.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    There was a while there where I was really into wholesome memes. People really don’t get what wholesome is. I started getting legitimately upset at what people thought was appropriate there so I had to block the communities.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    Also keyword blocking does fuck-all for screenshots of microblog posts to tangentially related communities... Every day I come across several US politics posts even with me deliberately not subscribing to any political or US-specific communities, and only looking at my subscriptions. (Admittedly reddit is much worse at this, with generic subs like r/AskReddit and r/LeopardsAteMyFace being inundated with Trump crap.)

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    You know what's crazy? Proper use of alt-text would save you from this.

    As much as I hate seeing the copy-paste block of text on why alt-text should be included with image posts... I can't help but admit that alt-text paves the way for better post filtering and overall information preservation.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I'm not sure what copy-paste block that is, but I'm absolutely in favour of people including alt text in their posts. It helps disabled people, and both the searchability and filterability of the post. It just requires giving a shit, and that's generally more effort than people put into posting 😐

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Am I going mad or are the 2 stitched together images not from the same person? The comments are acting like they are though.

    Top part = a mod deleting a post about American politics

    Bottom part = a comment from a Lemmy person saying he has had enough with American politics on Lemmy.

    They both agree? Right?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    So the bottom image is showing a comment on a post titled "Fuck Lemmy, i'm done" which I believe contained the top image. im assuming it was posted by the person that received the mod removal message in top image. the second image is mostly focusing on a comment from that post thread from another Lemmy user that disagrees with the OP's take.

    I struggle with words sometimes - idk if I made that more confusing lol.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I have an ever growing list of blocked words on here, all in a futile attempt to limit how much US shit finds its insidious way into my feed. I really, really shouldn't fucking have to mute half the dictionary, just to be able to access the internet without getting pissed off.

    I feel bad for those Americans who are suffering, and stand in solidarity with them. But man, it's relentless. I know far too much about US politics.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    I'm glad that those interested or in many cases, obsessed with politics have a place to discuss it but I have no interest in seeing it so In conjunction with instance and community blocking, I use the filters to block any new "hot" political word or phrase that I find my feed inundated with. Once the core block list is built, adding something new is only required every other week or so to keep the feed politics-free.

    The instance and community blocks do the majority of the heavy lifting but a filter list is an absolute necessity to get rid of the users that insist on injecting politics into every community they find.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago*

    I can't listen to the radio or watch any broadcast media any longer because Trump politics will not shut the fuck up.

    It has invaded every bit of american discourse and separating the two will be nigh impossible until the source of the disturbance is remedied. it is literally impossible as an american right now not to be about this crisis.

    so yeah i get it. but the elephant in the room is conducting the score, and we are literally drowning with only social media as a place to expunge.

    block me at

    https://reddthat.com/c/7735_41st_ave_se_lacey_wa

    and a large portion of my conflagrations towards media will be less visible.

    otherwise i apologize for it when i contribute. and i hope that moderation like this helps.

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