I have spent hours looking through the files and some of the stories are absolutely disgusting. I am having such a hard time because so many citizens don't even know how awful they get and they aren't all even fully released... I am close to feeling like we need pitchforks, torches and shovels if this justice system won't actually do anything... He had a ranch where a witness wrote in saying there are TWO bodies located on the property and they haven't even reported that in the media. I'll link that one below too. It's just so... Horrible. We can't just pretend this doesn't exist... but idk what happens next for the United States and the world. It's not something a country just moves on from.

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00078198.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01249507.pdf

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[–] 58 points 8 months ago (4 children)

The scary part, is now that Epstein is gone, it’s all just happening somewhere else.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    its not in thier best interest to eliminate ghislaine now, that would just make things worst, whichis why they are keeping her alive.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    Maxwell 100 percent has dirt that would be released on her death, and they can't get to whomever may be holding it. Epstein thought he had that too I'm sure, but Israeli intelligence betrayed him.

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  • [–] 139 points 8 months ago

    Remember, the FBI found NOTHING to even start looking into an investigation.

    Zero reasons.

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  • [–] 45 points 8 months ago

    God Damned, that is pure fucking evil. Like, I can't even... Just literal evil.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Why is this man's faces redacted.

    ?

    Wtf. Show us his face.

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  • [–] 29 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    There should not exist a class of people with such unaccountable power that they can do these things and get away with it.

    This isn't just about Epstein, Trump and all the other child rapists on those files (although they should definitely go to prison); it's about the system that makes this possible, and puts the worst possible people in a position to do this and get away with it.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    We were warned about greed, money, and corruption. This is the result of us ignoring the problem until it festers and turns into an infection that will eventually kill us. We cannot have a civilized society with these kind of wealth gaps while allowing money in politics.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    Anything less than death is far too little for these sick fucks.

    Swift and quickly, this needs to end and be left in the past.

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    I'm fine with an easy out.

    I don't need them to think about their actions. I don't need them to stew and marinate in their guilt. I certainly don't need them to have avenues to still exert influence.

    They need to die, anything else is a distraction.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago*

    This is my position. Just kill them and move on, we need to make humanity better. There are people who need rescue and care.

    Mind, we should keep monsters like Maxwell alive for awhile...so that we can get information about where the innocent have been trafficked. One entire year for all the actionable information that Maxwell and company are willing to trade. No bargaining, nor exceptions, just a delayed execution after the plea deal is struck. Without the deal, immediate execution after a brief trial.

    ...I am hoping that there are enough little black books, that delayed justice isn't needed to save the innocent.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Torturing the torturers won't fix anything.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Only if you reject a large body of research on that matter conducted by hummanity over centuries. Ie. impaling seems a reasonable compromise between unpoetic justice and a nod the conservative traditional aproach.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    It's crazy that we are living in a surveillance state and it isn't even good for bringing the worst people to justice, they know it's happening and let it happen while the monsters chat about it on fucking gmail while the rest of us think about being watched and worry about getting in trouble for every minor little thing.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Of course, that's exactly the point of a surveillance state. It's purpose is total control of the general population and complete freedom from consequences for the wealthy elite. Any rhetoric about it keeping us safe is pure propaganda. People knew this a long time ago, that's why we have the 4th amendment and other privacy laws.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago

    Luigi 'em all

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  • [–] 67 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    This isn't just about America, or MAGA, or even Trump. I always understood that this was an international enterprise, but as I read this stuff, I'm realizing that it was bigger and uglier than my worst imaginings.

    I just read about a wealthy guy in a Detroit in the 70s who ran an Epstein-like operation on an island he purchased in one of the Great Lakes. He built a giant mansion on it, and started hosting underage sex parties for wealthy men. The article suggested that he might have been an inspiration for Epstein.

    The point is that these people have always been here, and now that Epstein is gone, someone else will be taking his place. Nobody understands the scope of Epstein's business better than his best friend Trump, who also recognizes how lucrative it is, and he is psychological incapable of resisting those riches.

    He also has easy access to plenty of sex products. He has enormous detainment centers full or poorly documented children, separated from their families, lawyers, or anyone else who might care about them. They could be disappeared for a long time before someone notices, if ever. I'm sure we'll find that the prettiest ones, of both sexes, are being scheduled for transfer...somewhere.

    Putin has also kidnapped thousands of Ukrainian children, another source for East European girls, for those who aren't turned on by brown children.

    You can bet that someone is rebuilding an international child sex operation somewhere, and I'm betting that Trump is in on it.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    It gets even worse when you realize that the reason why these people don't want social programs is because they need poor, vulnerable kids to prey on. They managed to convince people to literally sacrifice their children, albeit quite indirectly.

    Makes you think about USAID...and wtf DOGE may have destroyed there. DOGE's whole point was to burn as much evidence as fast as possible. Wonder how many of those 125+ year old SSI beneficiaries managed to show up to vote in 2024.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    the reason why these people don't want social programs is because they need poor, vulnerable kids to prey on. They managed to convince people to literally sacrifice their children, albeit quite indirectly.

    Good observation. I just saw another comment that said they deliberately expose kids to violent content younger and younger, so they'll grow up to be good fighting and occupying forces.

    When AI/Robotics leads to a 50% unemployment rate (what do you think is the objective of the corporate giddiness of AI? They can't wait to replace as many profit sucking employees as possible) the military is going to be one of the few income-producing employment paths left. Might as well start their "training" young, with lots of violent entertainment.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    You can bet it doesn't need to be rebuilt because it never stopped and Epstein was just part of an international ring that involved people from all kinds of positions of authority. In my city alone there were law enforcement , boy scout leaders, and Catholic priests all enabling each other and helping to cover up their crimes while flying people in from all over the world to do this fucked up shit.

    Thats one city. Imagine that kind of fucked up shit has been happening all over the world for decades or maybe even centuries. No way in hell it ever stopped because Epstein was indisposed.

    You know that plot in the original true detective about the Louisiana pedophile murder ring? It turns out that was almost certainly based on real stories.

    I will say that it's fucking insane to think about the fact that Trump and all of his oligarch friends have now legalized kidnapping and trafficking people thanks to ICE/DHS. The implications of what they're almost certainly continuing to do out in the open have got to be pretty obvious, right?

    Kidnapping so many people that you can just get away with just losing track of them? Why wouldn't they just keep doing the same shit they've always done?

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Small correction, Epstein has been replaced for years, they're not "out of business".

    Business is BOOMING.

    we are unaware of the details, as we only get to know decades after the fact, if at all...

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  • Also, not sure if you've already read this, but I just stumbled across this book connecting the Michigan cases with the cases in my city, as well as cases involving operations in Chicago and California. Fucking wild.

    I'm really glad I saw your comment bc otherwise I never would have really made the connection when Fox Island was mentioned.

    https://archive.org/details/simon-dovey-eye-of-the-chickenhawk-thehotstar-2023

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago

    Crist... whoever is responsible for this, or did this to another human being needs to be fucking shot. Not in the head, no no... but in the knee caps, shins... everywhere to make it just-as, if not more painful than the pain their victims felt.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    We need to take cadaver dogs to Trumps golf courses and epsteins properties

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  • [–] 53 points 8 months ago* (14 children)

    This is what I don't get when folk online treat girls under 18 of any age as the same thing. A full grown person who's a 30 something adult being with a 17 year old is exploitative, controlling and weird.

    Being with an 8 year old is monstrous and, frankly, worthy of the death penalty.

    I'm not excusing the first, but do people really see no difference? If you need a legal line in the sand to determine if it's either totally fine or straight to the guillotine then maybe there's something wrong with you.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago*

    Both deserve jail time, and the only people who really care that much are usually from the former group distancing themselves from the latter.

    Both are fucking gross. I don't care who's more evil, I both want them shot into the sun. Second one just might deserve a slower ride so they feel the burn a bit more.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Pedophilia is the attraction to children younger than 12-10 to around 3, this is what was occurring mainly within that island. Of course, there where women within their teens and adults which don't technically qualify as pedophilia but are referred to it either way - which is incorrect.

    Of course, pedophilia according to dsm5 on itself is listed as a mental disorder, nepophilia is also included. However, it is to say, attraction to those above 13 is not considered as a mental disorder. It also helps to know, that biologically such individuals are closer to adults than children, so it goes in hand with your last paragraph.

    It is the sake that the legal line is essentially an "anchor" point, especially since we still believe in hoaxes which are related to growth and maturity. As such this incorrect view is projected to everyone even if the facts are different to what people expect.

    In essence, the whole premise overall seems to be fueled by misinformation which is causing the whole "under 18" group to appear as one and the same, no matter the age. This is a major problem I agree, and the misuse of the word pedophilia tells a big story about it.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The reason you don't hear more people explaining the difference between being a pedophile and being an ephibophile is that it makes you look like a pedophile.

    Case in point.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    That is true, it is the case for all minor attractions. Within the current situation, the most prominent issue is that information is not factually based and definitions are skewed. Like the original commenter had said, this introduces ambiguity.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I swear to god if fedi starts defending "ephebophilia" as if its meaningfully different enough to matter I'm going to start cutting dicks off lmao.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    You're missing the point here. This isn't about defending whatever you seem to disagree on. Its the fact that you seem to think critical analysis is meaningless and "indifferent". The first commenter had this message instilled, yet you are correlating this to things which where not even mentioned.

    In respect to the post itself, then yes the age designation is meaningless as you cannot redefine rape and abuse. It is pretty clear that this comment thread was for a specific issue.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Why should it matter to society what the difference between the two is, if the better of the two is still bad enough that they should be hung by their toenails and beaten to death with a sack of hammers?

    After a certain amount of bad, there's not much you can do to punish it.

    What reason do we have to discuss the difference, unless you think a 30 year old fucking a 17 year old is redeemable?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    To answer your question, firstly consider the point of what is misinformation. Because this isn't about the right or wrongs, but the factualities of science and countering misinformation. The function of this thread was to analyse the differences between different stages of age groups which are considered minors. This was highlighted by the root op.

    What reason do we have to discuss the difference, unless you think a 30 year old fucking a 17 year old is redeemable?

    Redirecting the question to you, why do you think it is reasonable to be going off topic?

    It is clear the overall aim here is to reinforce the actualities. By introducing rhetorical questions such as "Why should it matter to society what the difference between the two is" it is an attack on education as a whole. Highlighting the differences and defining facts is the whole foundation of society. Of course, this isn't ethics class, it is biology and psychology.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    This is a comment chain in a post about the Epstein files in which the top comment in the chain is about a 30 year old fucking someone in their late teens.

    Its entirely on topic, fuck off with your bad faith arguments.

    This isn't ethics class, or biology class, or sociology class...

    Its a comment section about billionaire kiddy fuckers not getting the justice they deserve. Are you sure you're in the right place?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    but do people really see no difference? If you need a legal line in the sand to determine if it's either totally fine or straight to the guillotine then maybe there's something wrong with you.

    This is a segment of the root op. This was the general scope of this. So I'll advise you to quit with the straw men arguments and reread the whole passage.

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  • [–] 98 points 8 months ago (36 children)

    If this brings the western world down then good. Whatever happens, we cannot ignore it. This is what wealth in capitalists nations degenerates into.

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    I'm fucken sorry, who has the only known example of a global paedophile ring implicating nearly all of its leaders? This is fucking unprecendented. No need to take it personally unless you are a capitalist.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Good points. However a big difference here is that this organized debauchery and perversions is weaponized to blackmail the most powerful countries in the world into supporting fascists in a small little country to do unspeakable things, that is also exporting that fascism to those home countries.

    So the blackmail angle, to ultimately destroy the liberal democracies that these countries are built on, makes it a little different.

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    I am sure it's not unique, do we have any more historical examples we can point to though? All I have is the borgia pope.

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    Yeah what you have a lot of them on the tip of your tongue? I can't think of any that have been exposed as such, not off the top of my head.

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    Oh shit, I knew about Hoover, I should've thought of that. I've been accusing the president of being a career blackmailer since his first term, in a hoover-esque trove. Although besides King I didn't know specifics of any of his blackmail just that he had a huge trove.

    The president's birthday note to epstein all but said they were both blackmailers. The creepy one written inside the outline of a pre pubescent girl, not so subtle if you ask me. Such an enigma. A child raping enigma.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (17 children)

    None of those are global, and if the saudis are anywhere they're probably also in the files which would just make that part of the same capitalist carnal club. I don't see President Xi, or many non-US aligned leaders in here. Its not you or I, why are you so offended?

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    Competing networks, territorial splits. It's visible in the files that this is a global thing and we see only the tip of an iceberg with one example group

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Nope, it’s very clear in the files they hated Xi, Castro and communism and spoke of them as explicit deterrents to their operations.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    They had projects with Castro. Something in the seas. Asia is operated by a different network

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (7 children)

    They did not. Where in the files does it say that? There are emails from Epstein celebrating Castro had died because “maybe they could finally start operating in Cuba”…

    You’re just saying shit, we have evidence of a wide network in western capitalist nations, and 0 evidence for the same in China or Cuba.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    China's media and comms control are still tighter. They got the system structure faster harder than the US is now scrambling to achieve. The collapse will get them all.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Ah so China is better than the US in every way, even in hiding its prolific pedo networks..? The CIA never uncovered any of it? And used it against them? Where’s your evidence?

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    The question is why is this small drip of evidence of only this network shown to us now. China has had some close calls but handled it, nothing of this magnitude.

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    Whistleblowers/defections, file leaks, witness testimonies. Just like the patterns in western nations before this

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder what came first, the alignment of the current axes of power, or the elite pedophile gang rings that operate within them.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    The files do mention Putin, as being a deterrent to their operations in Russia. And they hated Xi and Castro. Seems like SOME leaders and powerful people are not sex trafficking pedos 🤷‍♂️

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  • [+] -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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    You say that with no evidence of anything. Dude do you actually think Russia is more advanced than the US in its intelligence? Do you think Putin would be able to hide a network like this from the CIA, who wouldn’t use it against him? You’re just pulling stuff out of your ass, motivated entirely by russiophobia.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    Yep. Its gets worse even. These animals must be euthanized to stop the spread of the rabies

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  • [–] 91 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Yes it’s terrifying, and so is that font you use

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    lol I appreciate the font roast. I love my font but I do respect others hate for it.

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