Cool project. Impressive it succeeded in such a harsh environment when so many afforestation projects have failed.
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The picture of diggers flattening dunes is very China.
Yeah, that's great 'news.'
Just two months ago, in December 2025, the same news has been published by the same outlet and written by the same author (see here).
Reuters new agency reported about that already in November 2024.
And this is by far not everything. The web is full with it. This same story has been appearing in the various outlets for several years now, mostly citing a 'new' study or 'Chinese state media' reports so that there is a reason to present it as 'new.'
And it's not the first time that OP is repeatedly posting the same 'news' over and again, just with a different framing, and obviously only to make China look good and to promote its propaganda.
That sounds awesome, can an independent third party news agency go into China and take pictures to confirm?
My viewpoint: turning it into a carbon sink is likely true. A desert is near carbon neutral in its natural state anyway. Not much grows and not much decomposes. Adding even a bit of vegetation turns it into a carbon sink, but the number next to the minus sign will be very small, considering the total area.
Takla Makan is big (for those acquainted with Europe, about the size of Germany). Planting great numbers of bushes, shrubs and trees along the edges and the river beds will contain its shifting and spare settlements on the edges from the nuisance, but the desert remains a desert.
There is no need to confirm, they've published more than a bit about it. China has been working on containing the desert since 1978. A road was built across the desert more recently, in 1995, and a railway around it. They intend to drill a 11 km research hole to study the local region of the Earth's crust. They intend to produce solar power.
Locals... well, this is Xinjiang. Locals mostly aren't Han (ethnically Chinese) but various Turkic peoples, including the seriously repressed Uyghurs. They would probably fear a mass of Han Chinese moving in more than a mass of sand, but they are most likely OK with the trees, because sand pesters them just as badly. So far, it looks like not much is happening in that part of Xinjiang, because there is not much to build an economy on. Solar power is nice, but if sand buries it, it's not so great. Currently, if you build a solar power plant to a random place in Takla Makan, there is a considerably above-zero chance of the desert burying it. Fencing it with lots of trees (irrigation needed) will allow a project to perhaps operate long enough.
Am on mobile rn and can’t easily search myself but such a large endeavour could be visible from google maps maybe? Even between 2 snapshots ?
There's people in China that put sticks in the ground to make it look like vegetation, and they even paint vegetation green to make it look more healthy. Looking at low quality satellite pictures like Google Maps is unreliable.
Yo at some point that very idea seems more efforts than planting actual trees… few months ago a French YouTuber (Tev) went deeeeeeeep into one of those Chinese desert and filmed greenery in the middle of it. Like a whole garden thingy built just for the lols or something.
Chinese are crafty and industrious fuckers, once they set to something they generally make it happen. Sometimes it’s swallows sometimes it’s trees I guess…
Source? That sounds unbelievable honestly
They stick hay in the sand to create wind breaks that trap moisture and seeds to stop the expansion of the desert. Hundreds of acres with 1 meter grids of hay pressed into the dunes. Ive never seen anyone painting anything but i don't doubt some anti- communist propagandist is saying they are
And while they're at it, make sure that the people who completed such a feat were adequately paid for their time and given the rights and good working conditions.
What?... it was indentured minorities? Ah yeah, I figured.
Probably fertilized the soil with the blood of the Uyghurs they've got in concentration camps.
I have yet to find any verifiable evidence of uyghur concentration camps. Ive looked for years and it all comes down to 1 random guy with deep cia ties.
Yeah I watched videos of inside the re-education camps and the conditions the people were languishing in in their prison cells.
China has an absolutely horrendous track record of human rights, even for their own citizens as they consider them an expendable resource in their country-sized factory
I dont know you from a bar of soap, so im just going to assume you're a chinese plant designed to spread disinformation on the topic because EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. This topic comes out, all the chinese apologists come out of the woodwork to say it's all fake, but everytime a chinese national tries to tell the world about the organ harvesting, they're immediately shot down by a horde of misinformers like they're waiting for the word "uyghur" or "Xin Jiang" come up.
You yourself seem to have a weird hard-on for bringing up Uighurs arbitrarily when it has zero to do with the subject of the post. Perhaps then you shouldn't throw stones in your glass house and accuse others of waiting to arbitrarily pounce on the word "Xin Jiang", when you obviously do the same thing for the word "China".
Argue your point instead of automatically assuming everyone who doesn't agree with you is a Chinese plant. That just makes you look whiny and weak, and brings no one around to your standpoint.
It's always deflection with your type, sn't it...
Instead of owning up to the crimes against humanity and standing with your fellow man, it's "go look in your own backyard! !!! Don't watch what we're doing to minorities!!!!" Complemented with minsofrmation and disinformation campaigns.
And yes, I have a hard-on for holding countries to account for their human rights abuses, but go off queen, tell me how I look weak and whiny while you simp for billionaires who'll throw you in the gulag before they get held accountable.
"Your type"? What type is that? Chinese plant? And I "simp for billionaires"? Are you high? Lol, I have no idea what you're on about, but you don't seem to feel well, get better.
I didn't even criticize your going after China. That's fine, argue your point, convince me. What I criticized was a reflexive turn to calling people bots and plants as soon as they don't agree with your point. That is whiny, and comes from weakness. You won't change anyone's mind with that whiny garbage, you'll just get pats on the back from those who already agree with you. Going for those pats instead of actually arguing your point shows that you're weak, and not a good proponent of anti-chinese views. Grow up and read a little. This can be a platform for exchanging ideas and teaching/learning, instead of just attacking anyone who disagrees even slightly.
Yeah, I'm not wasting my time arguing with or trying to enlighten someone who is defending a fascist authoritarian regime when it's been shown China just pays trolls and manages bot farms to control the narrative and their image
After Tiannamen Square, Hong Kong, Taiwan, all the academic dishonesty, planting spies in global academic institutions, organ harvesting in Xin Jiang, and IP theft China does, there is 0% chance I'll believe China's opinion on anything. They had absolutely no credibility to begin with.
So you can sit there continuing to scream into the void at me because I really don't give a fuck what a fascist defender has to say.
P.s., my favorite part was when you disliked my ad hominems so much, you made your own thinking it would sway anyone to your side, like we were starting off with some healthy debate.
Not debating, and literally in one paragraph your argument fell apart into the same level of ad hominems - you must have been on the debate team in school, hey.
... How do they grow with no water?
Edit: Ah, the "around" bit means the edges. This is more to stop it from spreading.
I suppose irrigated tree farming could be used to fix carbon, too, although I'm not sure how it stacks up relative to other approaches, and you'd need abundant fresh water near a desert.
But but... "China bad" remember?
I know is not all good, but still seem better than US in so many ways.
Don't worry, there's plenty of "bad" to go around. It's not the human rights violations Olympics.
I'm sure if we try hard, like really really hard, we could also find something nice in the USA. China plants trees and ushers green energy, USA... well... I'm sure there is something. Moon program for example...
The USA was one of the first countries to ever do a green belt, China isn’t necessarily copying the USA but they are definitely building off the body of work that occurred before.
China is also committing a genocide on the Uyghurs.
USA is starting its own ethnic cleansing.
Everyone sucks.
So just celebrate the little good we do have.
I really don't think China is committing a genocide on the Uyghurs, the story just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
Yeah I asked Winnie, he said it's fake news and docked me -300 social credit for asking, case closed
Thanks for your contribution, the world largely disagrees but neat!
Thanks for your contribution, the
worldWest largely disagrees but neat!
FTFY
This is from 2019, but is one of the few articles I found actually listing countries, instead of just saying "51 UN member states" with no further detail. Do take a look at the respective lists. No conclusions are drawn, but it's interesting nonetheless: https://thediplomat.com/2019/07/which-countries-are-for-or-against-chinas-xinjiang-policies/
Here's the Amnesty International report if you want to give it a bit more scrutiny. I think it's China's attempts to discredit it that don't hold up to scrutiny:
www.amnesty.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Amnesty-International_China-Report_FINAL.pdf
Here's another thing I noticed. A little farther down, it mentions they interviewed "dozens" of people, and that this represents a significant portion of all available testimonial evidence. Of course they attribute this to the Chinese government trying to keep information from getting out.
Here's the thing: there's absolutely no way they could be that successful in keeping this hidden. Just look at Gaza. It's tiny, literally walled in, and israel all the best tech for oppression and surveillance (it's like their whole thing) plus the infinite money glitch via the USA. And still, we have countless videos of the horrors perpetrated against Palestinians. Xinjiang is HUGE, and there are something like 10 million Uyghurs. Stuff would absolutely get out.
So right off the bat, the executive summary goes
Since 2017, under the guise of a campaign against “terrorism”,
So this "terrorism" did actually happen, I'm not sure why it's in quotes, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2014_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_attack
Note the reference at the top to another incident only one month earlier. Unfortunately there were several more.
This tone certainly suggests a foregone conclusion, but anyway. It goes on to describe various abuses, do they amount to genocide? They sure wouldn't if israel was the perpetrator, but I guess when it's China we can throw around the G word no problem. Perhaps I can give it more scrutiny later, gotta work now.
It would be nice to read a more in-depth presentation of the project.
Wikipedia to the rescue:
Yeah, that's great 'news.'
Just two months ago, in December 2025, the same news has been published by the same outlet and written by the same author (see here).
Reuters new agency reported about that already in November 2024.
And this is by far not everything. The web is full with it. This same story has been appearing in the various outlets for several years now, mostly citing a 'new' study or 'Chinese state media' reports so that there is a reason to present it as 'new.'
And it's not the first time that OP is repeatedly posting the same 'news' over and again, just with a different framing, and obviously only to make China look good and to promote its propaganda.
The other side of this is that they’ve been doing this since the late 70s and have a wealth of information about what works and what doesn’t work.
Something like a quarter of China is desert, so they have vested interest in actually making this work.
I agree you get a lot of propo, but what do you think the point of that is here?
To provide and example: You will easily find stories about Ford CEO Jim Farley saying that Chinese EVs are ahead of those by Western manufacturers - this story has been appearing in various (and also Western) outlets for some time now. The framing is always a bit different, but the story is always the same.
Here we have the same pattern - one story, published with a slightly different framing (and often with a misleading title, as it is the case also here, because the survival rate of these trees might be too low in the long run as several of these article also say - see here -, but it's a bold headline).
Another recent propaganda push is probably the (false) narrative that China has banned all investments in Israel over Gaza. I read headlines here on Lemmy and on many outlets, including Western media. But it is complete fantasy. It's a completely fabricated story as China-Israel ties are stronger than ever, with both investment and trade at record levels.
Don't get me wrong, I don't say planting trees is a bad thing. It's good. But such headlines and the endless stream of always the same news don't aim at informing on climate policy, but rather to distort reality and serve authoritarian propaganda while creating narratives that are outright false. The only goal here is to promote "the West bad, only China good" stance, which is, of course, complete rubbish.
While I hear ya, it seems to be a proper article from a proper outlet written by someone reputable, albeit based on a study by a bunch of chinese researchers- not that there is anything inherently suspicious about that.
I also got the "feel-good China slop" reaction at first but I don't know, seems legit.
They’re stories that are generally on the same topic, their focuses are different.
Also, thought you seemed familiar. Last time I commented was in response to basically the same stuff.
I believe there's been real progress in the Sahel in western Africa. Iirc it involves more than just planting trees but full on land management like having grazing livestock graze in newly forested areas.
The Gobi is in China (and Mongolia, it covers most of the border between them). It's actually quite possible that the documentary was about the same project as this article, though. The Taklamakan is either next to the Gobi or just the western part of the Gobi depending on who you ask
only problem is it native species to the desert, or an exported potentially invasive species to the desert.
My understanding is that the Gobi Desert has historically been expanding due to desertification of the surrounding grasslands, and the project to plant trees in this area was to halt or reverse this process. In other words, the ecological destruction was already occurring.
But double check me.
Those fucking Chinese, amirite? All they do is evil. While blockading Cuba is for humanity!
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