The Federal Aviation Administration has closed airspace over El Paso and parts of southern New Mexico for 10 days under a national defense designation, offering no explanation for the rare move. The FAA order states aircraft violating the restriction could face interception and possible use of deadly force.

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[–] 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Today on "Literal Children Run Our Federal Government".....

Airport: Yo, DoD, you can't fly shit in commercial air space.

DoD: Fuck you.

Airport: Ok, we're pulling the plug so you don't kill a plane full of people.

DoD: Fuck, the optics are going to be awful for us. Ok, we'll stop breaking the law...just this once though.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Rumor I heard is that the military is planning to start testing some counter drone system, and in discussions with FAA, they couldn't promise that civilian flights would be safe, so FAA pulled out the big gun.

    It sounds like this counter drone system would only be for use on drones that cross the river into us airspace, but I'm not sure of that.

    For reference, the US has operated an Air Defense Identification Zone for a long time, that covers Mexican airspace near the border. The air force tries to identify, track, and sometimes intercept all air traffic in the ADIZ. Civilian air traffic is supposed to be on a filed flight plan, in communication with ATC, and have an assigned four digit transponder code. Failure to do so may result in interception by scrambled aircraft.

    I would imagine that "cartel drones" in or around Juarez would not be doing the above. But there may also be too many of them to economically intercept with F15s.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds to me like their fancy new toy can't tell the difference between a commercial airliner and a toy drone. I bet Elon built it (with heavy input from Grok, of course)

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Update: It now seems possible that the "cartel drones" may have actually been party balloons.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    Party balloons,

    Or

    99 ways to overwhelm US air defenses.

    Party on, Wayne!

    On a totally unrelated tangent:

    Things to add to my pantry:

    Helium

    Assorted dick shaped balloons

    Chinese lanterns

    Popsicle sticks

    Elastic bands

    Card stock paper

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  • [–] [S] 27 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Updated:

    The Federal Aviation Administration dropped unprecedented airspace restrictions for El Paso after seven hours Wednesday morning, but not before flights were canceled at El Paso International Airport and El Pasoans were gripped by anxiety.

    El Paso leaders harshly criticized the FAA for issuing the notice with no communication with local officials.

    In a social media post, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said the FAA and what the Trump administration calls the Department of War acted “to address a cartel drone incursion.”

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    what the Trump administration calls the Department of War

    Lol

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Yes, they have changed the unofficial yet almost completely official name of the DoD to the DoW. It hasn't fully officially been named that, because it requires an act of Congress, but everyone is now calling it that even in official correspondence.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I'll be deep in the cold, dead ground before I recognize the Department of War

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I think that's actually what it was originally called. Department of Defense is the lie since it's basically never been used for defensive purposes.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    This is wild. I wonder what Trump is trying to hide from view.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I'm being told this is about cartel drones in the area. I have no idea if that is the real reason, but with cartels using legit submarines then I have no problem believing this might actually be the real reason.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    From the article:

    Escobar said drone activity along the U.S.-Mexico border has been a well-known problem in the El Paso-Ciudad Juárez region.

    “Those of us who live in El Paso likely have known that there have been drone incursions from Mexico going back to as long as drones existed. So, this is nothing new, and this drone incursion from Mexico (was) obviously not something any of us want to see. But this is not unusual, and there was nothing extraordinary about the drone, any drone incursion into the U.S. that I’m aware of,” Escobar said.

    I feel like its something else they didn't want anyone to see from an aerial perspective, like troops entering Mexico or the digging and filling of mass graves for ICE detainees at Fort Bliss.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    So many questions. Airspace still closed in New Mexico at the same level?

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    [–] 89 points 9 months ago

    Regardless of what this event is, someone in the Trump administration just realized they can perform economic terrorism on cities they don't like by arbitrarily shutting down their airspace.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This reads like even medevac helicopters will be grounded. Don't have a medical emergency in a rural part of the Trans-Pecos, I guess

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  • [–] 62 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

    El Paso + parts of New Mexico means Ft Bliss. That's where the US Army/Air Force does nearly all of their munitions training. I wonder if ICE is getting a special training course bc that's also about how long one lasts.

    Eta: this is also the last stop soldiers make before forward deploying. They could have a large quantity of people they intend to deploy in the very near future. Good reason to keep eyes off the area with all the tensions in the middle east and wherever else Trump decides to go to war with this week. 

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    There are many possibilities with this info and right now, I'm not sure which one is worst because they all are extremely awful on their own.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It's gonna turn out to be something dumb like letting Barron shoot some missiles off for his birthday

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    More Concentration camps?? Will the US have military build up to attack Cuba or Mexico from here? This fascism has to end.

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    They're going to air strike people on us soil, I guarantee it.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Time to let more of el chapos family cross the border?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Isn't the US getting ready to conduct more nuclear bomb tests? Think i read that recently.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I can't see them conducting it so close to a city, unless it's meant to be a show of force or some bullshit.

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    Nuclear testing?

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    [–] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The US is going to invade Mexico.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    Trump invades Mexico bc Trump-Epstein files. maga

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It boggles my mind that they would issue a blanket 10-day no fly order when they were just doing a brief drone response. All of this drama could have been avoided

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    Because they weren't "just" doing a brief drone response. These serve the purpose of testing and eroding the defenses of their enemy (the American people). They do things like this to measure how much backlash there is, like a doctor testing reflexes. Then they continue the tests on a regular basis until they become normalized and resistance fades. Eventually they will be able to issue a 10-day no fly order and nobody will bat an eye, because they do it all the time, and then they'll be able to use it freely for all the ideas discussed above.

    The road to hell might be paved with good intentions, but the subgrade must first be prepared with a huge supply of false intentions and plausible deniability, among other things.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I've noticed a ton of air force helicopters around el Paso up through central NM on flightradar24. Mostly Iroquois, but also Apaches. I was watching one Apache right in that zone in NM. The Iroquois are flying super low, like 100ft agl, and also landing out in random areas(nonmilitary land).

    Idk, that's just my aircraft autism. Its cool seeing all the whirly birds on flightradar but it should probably be concerning.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    It's definitely not aliens...

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