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[–] 21 points 9 months ago* (17 children)

Israel must be destroyed, this is abhorrent.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I mean, even before that it's existence is an affront to human decency. If you tried to set up a nation on stolen land to segregate a specific ethnicity away from everyone else everyone would rightfully call it insane, but that's exactly what israel is. Especially if many of the people propping it up are doing it explicitly to end the world.

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  • [+] 0 points 9 months ago (16 children)
  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    BS.. destroying the state of israel doesnt mean the people are destroyed. Running interference for genocide are you? Thats pretty gross.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    No, it’s meant as a call to action for removing the state of Israel.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (13 children)

    How so you remove the state of Israel? What do you mean by that? It's politicians? It's institutions? It's territory? I am actually curious.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (12 children)

    You give control of the land back to the Palestinians.

    Same as has been done with any other colonial nation that’s land was given back to the people living there such as happened with Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    You don’t even have to do that. Make Palestinians actual citizens with voting rights, let democracy run it’s course. It would end with dissolution of Israel as it is now and nobody can say they weren’t given the voice.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    What do you mean with giving control back to Palestinians? Should they take over the government of Israel and unify it with their current territory/government? What would happen with Israelis? You think those people will all of a sudden get along?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Who gives a fuck what happens to the Israelis.

    Do you also care for the plight of the Nazis who settled into the lands they genocided, after the war ended?

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I don't think that there is any sense in what people here are saying. You all know that what you are proposing won't stop the killing on either side. I guess you do this out of anger and I can understand that. But this won't solve anything.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    Israel no longer existing would stop the killing by Israel.

    It’s not a stance I think can be realistically achieved while western states back Israel and their genocide.

    It’s the stance I wish to see happen. I am powerless but that doesn’t mean I can’t want an ideal outcome.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    If this is your ideal outcome you are no better then the worst Israelis are

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Self defense is objectively better than aggressive genocide.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Eradicating another nation is not selfe defense it is literally the definition of genocide.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    That is literally not the definition of genocide. Eradicating nations is the goal of every anarchist.

    Genocide is eradicating peoples, of which no one is calling for here. You are the only one even hinting at that topic.

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  • You said Israel no longer existing would stop the killing from Israels Side. Now I do not see Israelis willingly giving up their country and leave. Eradicating the nation in the sense of nation state seems unlikely but even if this was done I don't think that it would get quieter in the region. If anything I would expect things to get worse. So judging from that I think that what you are proposing is a pipe dream but maybe I am not seeing what you mean exactly. Would you care to elaborate. Probably provide an actual plan. As a small disclaimer, I am fairly new to the fedivers and I did not know that this instance is tending to the ideas of anarchy. Also I am not very knowledged in anarchy, what is really ment by that (to me it means something similar to rulelessness).

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    [–] [S] 37 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    An Industrialized Genocide

    Anatomy of the bombs

    The investigation identified specific US-manufactured munitions used in Gaza that are linked to these disappearances:

    MK-84 ‘Hammer’: This 900kg [2,000lb] unguided bomb packed with tritonal generates heat up to 3,500C [6,332F].

    BLU-109 bunker buster: Used in an attack on al-Mawasi, an area Israel had declared a “safe zone” for forcibly displaced Palestinians in September 2024, this bomb evaporated 22 people. It has a steel casing and a delayed fuse, burying itself before detonating a PBXN-109 explosive mix. This creates a large fireball inside enclosed spaces, incinerating everything within reach.

    GBU-39: This precision glide bomb was used in the al-Tabin school attack. It uses the AFX-757 explosive. “The GBU-39 is designed to keep the building structure relatively intact while destroying everything inside,” Fatigarov noted. “It kills via a pressure wave that ruptures lungs and a thermal wave that incinerates soft tissue.”

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    No bodies, nothing to count. The death toll therefore doesn't increase.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    It gives centrist democrats and other republicans something to masturbate to

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    How's this any different than gas chambers and furnaces? Israel is an abomination, along with their weapon suppliers.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago

    And many scums on lemmy try to police anti genocide people and accuse anybody using the slogan fron the river to the sea palestine will be free as genociders

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (31 children)

    And the government that helped provide those weapons is going to be demanding your vote this year because 'it's the most important election of our lifetime.'

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Stop beig selfish and giving excuses for your shitty country and shitty electoral system . American lives are not more precious then Palestinians

    Electing either side is supporting genocide to palestinians notnas privileged as yourself

    During Biden

    • 70% of all structures in Gaza were damaged or destroyed
    • 92% of all housing units destroyed or damaged
    • 88% of school buildings were damaged or destroyed
    • 80% of key water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) facilities
    • Only 16 out of 36 hospitals were partially functioning, facing critical shortages of fuel, medicine, and clean water.
    • 75% of agricultural land, including orchards and greenhouses, was damaged or destroyed

    Harris said she wouldn't change her policies and agree with Trump terrible plan and which the biden administration is trying to take some credit for it

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-trump-and-biden-both-claim-credit-for-gaza-ceasefire-deal/#%3A%7E%3Atext=Open+this+photo+in+gallery%2Cset+out+in+late+May.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (29 children)

    This logic will elect Republicans again and they will make the situation worse. There is no option where this stops unless we keep voting in progressives like we did in New York and New Jersey.

    If it didn't matter AIPAC wouldn't be pouring money into candidates, an example like think of is the 9th district of Illinois where Kat Abughazaleh discovered that one of the PACS sponsoring their opponents was a shell for AIPAC

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (18 children)

    This logic will elect Republicans again and they will make the situation worse.

    Which is why the wing of the party that capitulates to republicans keeps doing it.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (17 children)

    Democrats in safe seats capitulate and deserve all the criticism they get but not all Democrats want the stairs quo. Minnesota just passed a wealth tax that they have been using to find better public education and free school lunches. New York Mayor Mamdani has been doing amazing things and New Jersey just elected a progressive.

    Positive change is possible we just need more progressives.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    Democrats in safe seats capitulate and deserve all the criticism they get but not all Democrats want the stairs quo.

    Which is why I referred specifically to a wing of the democratic party and not the whole thing.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    the problem is that they're not in control of the democratic party; the capitulators are.

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    which means that they will not give progressives control of the party.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Also agree. If progressives are to have a party, centrists must be replaced with progressives.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party?

    you're just going to end up w a bernie, aoc, omar, etc. situation where they're not given enough control to change anything the democratic party's priorities; but trotted out like show ponys to convince progressives to vote for the democrats anyways.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    People like Bernie and AOC are not progressive. They're nothing more than sheep dogs for the party to keep people locked in the party with false promises of eventually having a seat at the table. Going back to 1984 Democrats have always had a sheepdog to keep voters herded up like sheep.

    People need to get out of the mindset of reform. We plainly seen that reform over the last hundred years does not work. Eugene Debs talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 100 years ago. WEB DuBois talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 60 years ago. They believe that if they change enough cogs within the machine, the machine will operate differently. It's time to scrap the machine

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party?

    Because the centrist wing has lost all credibility and we're seeing their power to block progressives waning.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    we’re seeing their power to block progressives waning

    do you have any evidence for this?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Mamdani's a good proof of concept. The party brought everything down it could to ratfuck him, before and after the primaries, and failed. We just had a progressive win in New Jersey. Another in Fort Worth.

    Decisively in all cases.

    That last one shows the centrist "we need to run centrists to win in conservative districts" line to be so much bullshit.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that's also definitely not control of party.

    see schumer's mission statement of protecting isreal at all costs to understand where the democratic party leadership's heads are at despite bernie actually having a say in it.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that’s also definitely not control of party.

    Not yet, no. But there haven't been a ton of races since trump won and it became undeniable that centrist democrats were both unprepared and unwilling to take on this challenge. The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party.

    this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the "lesser evil" for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge.

    why would it be different now?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge.

    Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    some progressives have always broken through; that's why we have bernie, aoc, omar, pressley, etc. and those numbers already outmatch the few recent victories that progressives have enjoyed.

    to be fair: i hope that you're right, but i doubt it very much as i watch americans start to blame the epstein illuminati on russia.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    All I hear is 'most important election of our lifetime.'

    Voting for the people that's helped enable our current situation is never the solution.

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Voting for conservatives (and institution Democrats) caused the current situation.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah no shit, that's why people don't want to vote for institutional Democrats.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah.. That's what I said, vote for progressives

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    No, what you implied is that people should vote for Democrats no matter what and just hope they happen to be progressive. You said the logic of voting third party led to the current administration, completely ignoring everything the democrats did to sabotage themselves and intentionally avoid providing a progressive candidate.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Where exactly did I imply that? I brought up AIPAC sponsoring particular candidates and pitched a progressive.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah it was the other part of that comment that you conveniently didn't quote.. the whole fucking first half....

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    This logic will elect Republicans again and they will make the situation worse. There is no option where this stops unless we keep voting in progressives like we did in New York and New Jersey.

    This part where I say

    unless we keep voting in progressives

    On a side note, why do you have to be so mean about it. I'm a human being.

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    This made me cry honestly. I cannot comprehend this level of cruelty.

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    [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Death would be too kind a fate for AmeriKKKa and Pissrael

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