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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (13 children) Agree entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago (12 children) which means that they will not give progressives control of the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (11 children) Also agree. If progressives are to have a party, centrists must be replaced with progressives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (10 children) so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party? you're just going to end up w a bernie, aoc, omar, etc. situation where they're not given enough control to change anything the democratic party's priorities; but trotted out like show ponys to convince progressives to vote for the democrats anyways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) People like Bernie and AOC are not progressive. They're nothing more than sheep dogs for the party to keep people locked in the party with false promises of eventually having a seat at the table. Going back to 1984 Democrats have always had a sheepdog to keep voters herded up like sheep. People need to get out of the mindset of reform. We plainly seen that reform over the last hundred years does not work. Eugene Debs talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 100 years ago. WEB DuBois talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 60 years ago. They believe that if they change enough cogs within the machine, the machine will operate differently. It's time to scrap the machine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago thoroughly agreed and that's what i'm getting at; voting for "progressive" democrats won't get us anywhere. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (7 children) so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party? Because the centrist wing has lost all credibility and we're seeing their power to block progressives waning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (6 children) we’re seeing their power to block progressives waning do you have any evidence for this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (5 children) Mamdani's a good proof of concept. The party brought everything down it could to ratfuck him, before and after the primaries, and failed. We just had a progressive win in New Jersey. Another in Fort Worth. Decisively in all cases. That last one shows the centrist "we need to run centrists to win in conservative districts" line to be so much bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (4 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that's also definitely not control of party. see schumer's mission statement of protecting isreal at all costs to understand where the democratic party leadership's heads are at despite bernie actually having a say in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that’s also definitely not control of party. Not yet, no. But there haven't been a ton of races since trump won and it became undeniable that centrist democrats were both unprepared and unwilling to take on this challenge. The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the "lesser evil" for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. why would it be different now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago some progressives have always broken through; that's why we have bernie, aoc, omar, pressley, etc. and those numbers already outmatch the few recent victories that progressives have enjoyed. to be fair: i hope that you're right, but i doubt it very much as i watch americans start to blame the epstein illuminati on russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago (12 children) which means that they will not give progressives control of the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (11 children) Also agree. If progressives are to have a party, centrists must be replaced with progressives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (10 children) so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party? you're just going to end up w a bernie, aoc, omar, etc. situation where they're not given enough control to change anything the democratic party's priorities; but trotted out like show ponys to convince progressives to vote for the democrats anyways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) People like Bernie and AOC are not progressive. They're nothing more than sheep dogs for the party to keep people locked in the party with false promises of eventually having a seat at the table. Going back to 1984 Democrats have always had a sheepdog to keep voters herded up like sheep. People need to get out of the mindset of reform. We plainly seen that reform over the last hundred years does not work. Eugene Debs talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 100 years ago. WEB DuBois talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 60 years ago. They believe that if they change enough cogs within the machine, the machine will operate differently. It's time to scrap the machine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago thoroughly agreed and that's what i'm getting at; voting for "progressive" democrats won't get us anywhere. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (7 children) so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party? Because the centrist wing has lost all credibility and we're seeing their power to block progressives waning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (6 children) we’re seeing their power to block progressives waning do you have any evidence for this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (5 children) Mamdani's a good proof of concept. The party brought everything down it could to ratfuck him, before and after the primaries, and failed. We just had a progressive win in New Jersey. Another in Fort Worth. Decisively in all cases. That last one shows the centrist "we need to run centrists to win in conservative districts" line to be so much bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (4 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that's also definitely not control of party. see schumer's mission statement of protecting isreal at all costs to understand where the democratic party leadership's heads are at despite bernie actually having a say in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that’s also definitely not control of party. Not yet, no. But there haven't been a ton of races since trump won and it became undeniable that centrist democrats were both unprepared and unwilling to take on this challenge. The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the "lesser evil" for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. why would it be different now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago some progressives have always broken through; that's why we have bernie, aoc, omar, pressley, etc. and those numbers already outmatch the few recent victories that progressives have enjoyed. to be fair: i hope that you're right, but i doubt it very much as i watch americans start to blame the epstein illuminati on russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (11 children) Also agree. If progressives are to have a party, centrists must be replaced with progressives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (10 children) so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party? you're just going to end up w a bernie, aoc, omar, etc. situation where they're not given enough control to change anything the democratic party's priorities; but trotted out like show ponys to convince progressives to vote for the democrats anyways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) People like Bernie and AOC are not progressive. They're nothing more than sheep dogs for the party to keep people locked in the party with false promises of eventually having a seat at the table. Going back to 1984 Democrats have always had a sheepdog to keep voters herded up like sheep. People need to get out of the mindset of reform. We plainly seen that reform over the last hundred years does not work. Eugene Debs talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 100 years ago. WEB DuBois talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 60 years ago. They believe that if they change enough cogs within the machine, the machine will operate differently. It's time to scrap the machine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago thoroughly agreed and that's what i'm getting at; voting for "progressive" democrats won't get us anywhere. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (7 children) so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party? Because the centrist wing has lost all credibility and we're seeing their power to block progressives waning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (6 children) we’re seeing their power to block progressives waning do you have any evidence for this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (5 children) Mamdani's a good proof of concept. The party brought everything down it could to ratfuck him, before and after the primaries, and failed. We just had a progressive win in New Jersey. Another in Fort Worth. Decisively in all cases. That last one shows the centrist "we need to run centrists to win in conservative districts" line to be so much bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (4 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that's also definitely not control of party. see schumer's mission statement of protecting isreal at all costs to understand where the democratic party leadership's heads are at despite bernie actually having a say in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that’s also definitely not control of party. Not yet, no. But there haven't been a ton of races since trump won and it became undeniable that centrist democrats were both unprepared and unwilling to take on this challenge. The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the "lesser evil" for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. why would it be different now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago some progressives have always broken through; that's why we have bernie, aoc, omar, pressley, etc. and those numbers already outmatch the few recent victories that progressives have enjoyed. to be fair: i hope that you're right, but i doubt it very much as i watch americans start to blame the epstein illuminati on russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (10 children) so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party? you're just going to end up w a bernie, aoc, omar, etc. situation where they're not given enough control to change anything the democratic party's priorities; but trotted out like show ponys to convince progressives to vote for the democrats anyways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) People like Bernie and AOC are not progressive. They're nothing more than sheep dogs for the party to keep people locked in the party with false promises of eventually having a seat at the table. Going back to 1984 Democrats have always had a sheepdog to keep voters herded up like sheep. People need to get out of the mindset of reform. We plainly seen that reform over the last hundred years does not work. Eugene Debs talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 100 years ago. WEB DuBois talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 60 years ago. They believe that if they change enough cogs within the machine, the machine will operate differently. It's time to scrap the machine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago thoroughly agreed and that's what i'm getting at; voting for "progressive" democrats won't get us anywhere. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (7 children) so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party? Because the centrist wing has lost all credibility and we're seeing their power to block progressives waning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (6 children) we’re seeing their power to block progressives waning do you have any evidence for this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (5 children) Mamdani's a good proof of concept. The party brought everything down it could to ratfuck him, before and after the primaries, and failed. We just had a progressive win in New Jersey. Another in Fort Worth. Decisively in all cases. That last one shows the centrist "we need to run centrists to win in conservative districts" line to be so much bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (4 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that's also definitely not control of party. see schumer's mission statement of protecting isreal at all costs to understand where the democratic party leadership's heads are at despite bernie actually having a say in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that’s also definitely not control of party. Not yet, no. But there haven't been a ton of races since trump won and it became undeniable that centrist democrats were both unprepared and unwilling to take on this challenge. The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the "lesser evil" for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. why would it be different now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago some progressives have always broken through; that's why we have bernie, aoc, omar, pressley, etc. and those numbers already outmatch the few recent victories that progressives have enjoyed. to be fair: i hope that you're right, but i doubt it very much as i watch americans start to blame the epstein illuminati on russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) People like Bernie and AOC are not progressive. They're nothing more than sheep dogs for the party to keep people locked in the party with false promises of eventually having a seat at the table. Going back to 1984 Democrats have always had a sheepdog to keep voters herded up like sheep. People need to get out of the mindset of reform. We plainly seen that reform over the last hundred years does not work. Eugene Debs talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 100 years ago. WEB DuBois talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 60 years ago. They believe that if they change enough cogs within the machine, the machine will operate differently. It's time to scrap the machine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago thoroughly agreed and that's what i'm getting at; voting for "progressive" democrats won't get us anywhere. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago thoroughly agreed and that's what i'm getting at; voting for "progressive" democrats won't get us anywhere. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (7 children) so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party? Because the centrist wing has lost all credibility and we're seeing their power to block progressives waning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (6 children) we’re seeing their power to block progressives waning do you have any evidence for this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (5 children) Mamdani's a good proof of concept. The party brought everything down it could to ratfuck him, before and after the primaries, and failed. We just had a progressive win in New Jersey. Another in Fort Worth. Decisively in all cases. That last one shows the centrist "we need to run centrists to win in conservative districts" line to be so much bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (4 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that's also definitely not control of party. see schumer's mission statement of protecting isreal at all costs to understand where the democratic party leadership's heads are at despite bernie actually having a say in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that’s also definitely not control of party. Not yet, no. But there haven't been a ton of races since trump won and it became undeniable that centrist democrats were both unprepared and unwilling to take on this challenge. The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the "lesser evil" for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. why would it be different now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago some progressives have always broken through; that's why we have bernie, aoc, omar, pressley, etc. and those numbers already outmatch the few recent victories that progressives have enjoyed. to be fair: i hope that you're right, but i doubt it very much as i watch americans start to blame the epstein illuminati on russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (6 children) we’re seeing their power to block progressives waning do you have any evidence for this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (5 children) Mamdani's a good proof of concept. The party brought everything down it could to ratfuck him, before and after the primaries, and failed. We just had a progressive win in New Jersey. Another in Fort Worth. Decisively in all cases. That last one shows the centrist "we need to run centrists to win in conservative districts" line to be so much bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (4 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that's also definitely not control of party. see schumer's mission statement of protecting isreal at all costs to understand where the democratic party leadership's heads are at despite bernie actually having a say in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that’s also definitely not control of party. Not yet, no. But there haven't been a ton of races since trump won and it became undeniable that centrist democrats were both unprepared and unwilling to take on this challenge. The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the "lesser evil" for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. why would it be different now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago some progressives have always broken through; that's why we have bernie, aoc, omar, pressley, etc. and those numbers already outmatch the few recent victories that progressives have enjoyed. to be fair: i hope that you're right, but i doubt it very much as i watch americans start to blame the epstein illuminati on russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (5 children) Mamdani's a good proof of concept. The party brought everything down it could to ratfuck him, before and after the primaries, and failed. We just had a progressive win in New Jersey. Another in Fort Worth. Decisively in all cases. That last one shows the centrist "we need to run centrists to win in conservative districts" line to be so much bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (4 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that's also definitely not control of party. see schumer's mission statement of protecting isreal at all costs to understand where the democratic party leadership's heads are at despite bernie actually having a say in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that’s also definitely not control of party. Not yet, no. But there haven't been a ton of races since trump won and it became undeniable that centrist democrats were both unprepared and unwilling to take on this challenge. The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the "lesser evil" for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. why would it be different now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago some progressives have always broken through; that's why we have bernie, aoc, omar, pressley, etc. and those numbers already outmatch the few recent victories that progressives have enjoyed. to be fair: i hope that you're right, but i doubt it very much as i watch americans start to blame the epstein illuminati on russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (4 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that's also definitely not control of party. see schumer's mission statement of protecting isreal at all costs to understand where the democratic party leadership's heads are at despite bernie actually having a say in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that’s also definitely not control of party. Not yet, no. But there haven't been a ton of races since trump won and it became undeniable that centrist democrats were both unprepared and unwilling to take on this challenge. The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the "lesser evil" for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. why would it be different now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago some progressives have always broken through; that's why we have bernie, aoc, omar, pressley, etc. and those numbers already outmatch the few recent victories that progressives have enjoyed. to be fair: i hope that you're right, but i doubt it very much as i watch americans start to blame the epstein illuminati on russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that’s also definitely not control of party. Not yet, no. But there haven't been a ton of races since trump won and it became undeniable that centrist democrats were both unprepared and unwilling to take on this challenge. The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the "lesser evil" for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. why would it be different now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago some progressives have always broken through; that's why we have bernie, aoc, omar, pressley, etc. and those numbers already outmatch the few recent victories that progressives have enjoyed. to be fair: i hope that you're right, but i doubt it very much as i watch americans start to blame the epstein illuminati on russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party. this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the "lesser evil" for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. why would it be different now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago some progressives have always broken through; that's why we have bernie, aoc, omar, pressley, etc. and those numbers already outmatch the few recent victories that progressives have enjoyed. to be fair: i hope that you're right, but i doubt it very much as i watch americans start to blame the epstein illuminati on russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge. Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago some progressives have always broken through; that's why we have bernie, aoc, omar, pressley, etc. and those numbers already outmatch the few recent victories that progressives have enjoyed. to be fair: i hope that you're right, but i doubt it very much as i watch americans start to blame the epstein illuminati on russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago some progressives have always broken through; that's why we have bernie, aoc, omar, pressley, etc. and those numbers already outmatch the few recent victories that progressives have enjoyed. to be fair: i hope that you're right, but i doubt it very much as i watch americans start to blame the epstein illuminati on russia. permalink fedilink source parent