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[–] 145 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Introducing search party for 'illegals'

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  • [–] 112 points 9 months ago (17 children)

    "since launch, more than a dog a day has been reunited with their family"

    Yeah, because cats know how to evade the fascist state. All Cats Are Beautiful ...

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    400ish found out of 10 million is…incredibly pathetic, lol.

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It's apparently enough justification to get people to consent to having their doorbell cams used for surveillance by 3rd parties 🫠

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yall do it with your smartphones and your airtags anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    I mean there are some ugly damn cats, for real.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Ah i am feel ashamed. I wanted to put besides hairless cats. But i knew there are like a dozen cute ones in total. So i didnt thinking i was being mean.

    Im gonna downvote my own comment.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 96 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    Ad Company: How do we sell mass surveillance..... By helping sad kids and cute puppies. Keep it short so people don't have time to think to hard about it.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yup. I wouldn't put it past the average person to see this and be happy. It hits the feel goods and for people who aren't already attuned to digital privacy concerns they likely aren't going to extrapolate the end game.

    Privacy has always been a slippery slope issue which makes it very difficult to explain to people without sounding like a conspiracy theorist. Only when it's too late and people are negatively impacted does it become obvious, and by then it's too late.

    Another area that isn't getting enough attention is Amazon Sidewalk. They're actively building out a network so these devices can share information (albeit limited) with each other even if you deny them internet access. Again, the tech is cool, but the possibilities are concerning.

    As a kid I used to love tech and I remember reading CES coverage with anticipation and wonder. When Google Glass was demo'd I thought it was the coolest thing. Now there's no way I'd voluntarily put AR glasses that weren't FOSS on my face.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    This is 100% the experience I have had. Could not vibe harder with this.

    Most of the time people have paid a premium for their new watch, camera, door bell, service and you try to point out that it connecting to the cloud or AI is overly complicated and not required for the result they are so happy about. You go on to say that the company is probably selling, exploiting and using that data to minipulating you..... But you just come off as unhinged.

    There is nothing good about america atm the only benifit is that there are some really good examples of why "I've got nothing to hide" is deeply flawed. This helps cut through to normal people.

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  • [–] 62 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    They're not only rolling out the total surveillance society- they are making people pay for it and subscribe to monthly fees for the privilege.

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  • [–] 48 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Should we buy ring nodes and feed them poisoned video feed?

    Benn Jordan was recently doing work on poisoned audio files, making it so models are damaged by ingesting his music. I believe the same should be possible with video streams.

    They probably won’t be training on the poisoned nodes, but they sure as hell will be wasting power on them. That makes it more expensive to do this stuff, no?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    For me personally, I wouldn't consider it worth the risk. You still have to make an Amazon account, hand over your personal information, let their cameras onto your network (of course, you can VLAN them) and.. how many people are gonna do this to make it effective?

    It just seems playing right into their hands, I'd rather outright boycott anything Amazon (I understand easier for some than others) than waste my time, money and effort into protecting my personal info against a user hostile company.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I agree, that’s the most practical approach and I wouldn’t blame anyone for choosing it. For me personally, though, I’m a little pissed off that these companies get to have such inhostile environment for their shenanigans. It’s like a playground for them, where they get to happily A|B test the various surveillance state softwares that will eventually get sold to oppressive regimes (just like Flock). I’m at a point where I’m willing to spend a not-so-insignificant portion of my time, energy, and know-how on inventing a little bit more friction for them. It shouldn’t be so easy for them to fuck us. They didn’t even offer dinner, first.

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    This is not real right.... Right.... It's a joke right? I hate the world because I really can't tell.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It's been real for a long time now, this is how ring works. You have to manually turn this stuff off and no one does.

    There are some informative videos on this spy network.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    my newest neighbors are having ring cameras installed in my apartment building and that combined with the knowledge that ring shares this data to the highest bidder (which is often the gov't), i feel like my civil rights are being violated every time i have to walk past the ring cameras every time i walk out my front door. lol

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know if you live in a state where you just get shot for nocking but calling the bell and explaining your concerns to them usually works at least for me.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    it's more peculiar than that: the ring cameras were installed over a month ago, but neither tenants have moved in yet and they both clearly have money since they've both had their apartment renovated by professionals instead of the landlord's maintenance guys.

    i'm guessing that these apartments are just their "city home" and i doubt that they will take kindly to a poor telling them how to live.

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  • [–] 69 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    This won’t be abused at all /s

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    No kidding, and the feature is on by default. It'll be lost human family members next.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Won't work, there are no doorbells in the death camps

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    There's the unexpected dark humor FTW.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    What part of this is humour? America has several death camps at the moment. People are actively disappearing from the system and can no longer be looked up. No one in the entire regime is able to locate them.

    What do you personally think happened to them?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    It's a combination of two things, the subversion of expectation, which is a common device in jokes, and the criticism of authority, which is another, similarly common, one.

    In my comment, I'm pointing out that these cameras are a risk for even broader abuses than just subpoenas, and compliance with law enforcement requests under the guise of finding lost family members.

    The responder humorously twists my words to claim that it's not a problem because the lost family members have already been swept up in an indiscriminate drag net, such that the cameras can not find them.

    The joke is on the DHS, and not it's victims.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They already partnered with flock last year, the same flock that shares with "law" enforcement

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I was trying to point out that this feature may be even worse than that because it doesn't even require a formal law enforcement request. If this becomes what it looks like, even private contractors will be able to access it without raising any alarms, further lowering the bar.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I wonder how hard it would be to rework this advertisements to be what it's actually used for:

    • Immigrants spotted! Administrative warrant issued, ICE deployed!
    • Automatic License Plate Recognition with Flock (now a partner), found a "criminal". Administrative warrant issued, ICE deployed!
    • etc.
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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Wait is flock seriously now partnered with ring?

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Gross, I had no clue. Now I might need to find replacements.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago*

    Ring was already "partnered" pretty closely with law enforcement, this is more of a consolidation than a new development. I've been saying this since they first floated the concept of CLOUD BASED SURVEILLANCE DOORBELLS but the whole idea is fucked. If you really feel a need for monitoring like that, set it up yourself. A corporation handling it is worse than nothing

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Ok but you can just rewrite this meme with your deauth packets on the left side and Wifi 6 on the right side.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    So still effective right now. I wardrobe as a hobby when I get bored and there's very few APs ready for this. We've got a few years.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    The next step they'll take is hooking into the amber alert system to find missing kids. Then, it will be finding "criminals," which applies to basically everyone thanks to NPSM-7.

    The "If I've got nothing to hide, why should I care" argument has predictably aged like sour milk.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The “If I’ve got nothing to hide, why should I care” argument has predictably aged like sour milk.

    has it? the kind of critical thought that easily dispels this fallacy isn't being applied right now on a global scale as evidenced by the fact that people are blaming russia for the epstein illuminati ring.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Not sure that I'm following/understanding. I'm saying that skeptics of the "if I've got nothing to hide" argument were correct. You do have something to hide if the people in power suddenly change the definition of what's legal.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    the "i have nothing to hide" argument is easily dispelled by several avenues of critical thought; including the one your comment points out.

    this sort of critical thought is not being applied to the russia/epstein narrative that's taking hold on american politics right now.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago

    No this is fine it'll only be used to find lost puppies I'm sure.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago

    what the fuck

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    anyone who objects to mass surveillance obviously hates puppies

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  • [+] 18 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Yeah finding the one application that people would support. Everyone loves dogs, well everyone except for our political and business leaders. ie the president and epstein and their like, they hate dogs, go figure.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    “they who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

    Yes I know the issues with the founding father narrative. However, I think that this quote is very true and applies to the situation we are currently facing.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I hate it so much that these dystopian devices are all advertised as a positive thing and, worst of all, that there are millions of dumbasses going "well that sounds like a great idea!"

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    It's ads like this that make people think it's really great, without ever considering the surveillance aspect. Probably some people who now want to get Ring cameras, just so they can help track down lost dogs. Instead, it will be used to hunt down escaping humans.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    There should be a version where they’re brown and at the end they suddenly get bags put over their heads by Trump’s paramilitary.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Are there really enough braindead consumers out there to make this viable?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Based on what I've seen, it is so so so much worse than you think.
    I honestly don't think the majority of those who see this ad will even consider negative uses of this system.

    And if you are thinking 'how can people be that stupid', I will remind you that college professors are having to change their curriculums because many of their students can't read.

    So yes, it's the day after the super bowl and I am quite sure the Gestapo cameras are flying off the shelves in the Amazon fulfillment centers.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    That's actually insane to advertise that Gestapo feature. I'm literally shocked - which happens (unfortunately) rarely these days. There is so much shit going on in this world

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    '...and we can even find YOU, anytime we want to."

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    What brand do people recommend to switch family members off to? I self host my security but for other family that aren't tech savvy at all which brands are good for privacy and intuitive to use?

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    SPRAYPAINT EVERY SINGLE ONE. CALL THEIR OWNERS OUT. DESTROY. THAT. SHIT.

    (Writing this with a device in my hand with a front and several back cameras, super sensitive microphone, and internet acces)

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago*

    Omfg I just watched this elsewhere. Also it's free. How kind of them.

    I think this is just trying to put a good spin on it before any privacy concerns come up.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    And if I upload a photo of a brown-skinned person?

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