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[–] 60 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

[D] is the weekday number, from 1 through 7, beginning with Monday and ending with Sunday.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I always knew starting the week on Sunday was messed up. Thankfully there's an ISO to back me up

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    It also say YYYY-mm-dd should be date and HH:MM:SS should be time and YYYY-mm-ddTHH:MM:SS should be datetime. But it also allow extremely cursed datetime, many prefer rfc3339

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I use that date format for saving work docs anyway. And use dd/mm/yyyy for anything else.

    Although thinking about it, maybe I should just adopt the international standard for everything

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I routinely do this in emails and documents. No one has ever questioned me on it because they're used to it from folder/file names.

    Please do join me in slowly changing the world over to year, month, day order.

    (Though I prefer the non-standard dots instead of hyphens, as they are non-line-breaking, and allows for hyphens to be used as separators for other parts in a file along with underscores)

    YYYY.MM.DD is my fave

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    But it also allow extremely cursed datetime

    Like what?

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The standard specify a ton features and formats. Thing like day if week so 2015-W4-1 would be the first day of the fourth week of 2015.

    But the you have can have periods like "P1Y2M10DT2H30M", and you can specify start and end dates. So if you want to start an event that runs for 3 months, 20 days, and some time you could write it as "20220212T1133/P3M20DT7H15M".

    And then there's more like giving the year as an exponent, so 2015 can be written as Y-2.015E3S4.

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  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    This could be every month if we adopted a 13 month calendar of 4, 7 day weeks. Works out very cleanly with only 1 extra day per year.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Combined with Holocene calendar and decimal time.. hnrggh.. one can dream! I actually designed a spreadsheet for exactly this and it works perfectly. Only issue is that it doesn't auto-update, you need to edit an empty cell of the spreadsheet (doesn't even need to be saved), for it to update to the current time.

    Would be nice to have an installation that lets you use that calendar and time format...

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    While we're changing the calendar, can we rename September through December so they're not off by two?

    Septem, Octo, Novem and Decem are the Latin words for 7, 8, 9 and 10 respectively, but they're actually the 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th months of the year. This is because the Roman calendar was originally only 10 months, but Julius Caesar inserted two new months in the middle, without renaming the last four.

    Maybe the oldest tech debt in existence - the calendar was changed in 45 BC.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    In Japanese months are named based on the number of the month, literally "first month" to "12th month", which is the most sensible way to do it

    Why not just call February 2026 "month 2 of 2026" and call the 9th of February 2026 "the 9th of month 2 of 2026"

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    That's essentially how the Roman calendar was named for six out of the 10 months:

    • Martius: (Mars)
    • Aprilis: (from aperire, "to open")
    • Maius: (Maia, goddess)
    • Junius: (Juno, goddess)
    • Quintilis: (Fifth)
    • Sextilis: (Sixth)
    • September: (Seventh)
    • October: (Eighth)
    • November: (Ninth)
    • December: (Tenth)
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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Agreed. It's so simple and beautiful.

    • The once a year extra-day is an international Eat The Rich holiday. Probably tied to the winter solstice.
    • And every fourth year we all get a bonus-extra Leap Purge holiday.

    The Gregorian calendar has nothing on this!

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  • [–] 169 points 9 months ago (25 children)
        february 2026   
    mo tu we th fr sa su
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     2  3  4  5  6  7  8
     9 10 11 12 13 14 15
    16 17 18 19 20 21 22
    23 24 25 26 27 28 
    
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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I wish this is how we arranged it. Makes so much more sense

    Alas, my brain is too used to wed in the middle

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I have good news for you. Wednesday in German is Mittwoch=midweek

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, becase it's in the middle of the week. The weekend is after the end of the week.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I only go by the Linux “cal” command.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    right! like, why complicate things?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    But my cal starts on Sunday. What are your locale settings?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    that means (if your locale is set according to your position), you are probably somewhere in the blue area on this, while I'm in the orange.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:First_Day_of_Week_World_Map.svg

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Portugal being different from Spain and the UK managing to have both Monday and Sunday conventions are pretty funny. But I don't recognize the freaks in Indian ocean who are the only ones to use Friday as the starting day.

    Edit: it's Maldives.

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  • [+] -24 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    ISO-8601 strikes again. Sunday week start master race rejoice

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Monday is the start of the week and I will die on this hill

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    100%. Saturday and Sunday are the weekend, you know, like the end of the week.

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  • [–] 77 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Who the hell starts the week with Sunday?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Brazil!

    Monday is called "Segunda" wich means "second" and every weekday follows this. So the Nth day of the week is called Nth except weekends

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I always think of segunda-feira as the first day of the week, despite the name; though it appears that calendars here start on Sunday (something I've never noticed).

    While it is the first day of the work week, it makes more sense to think of it as the second day in Portuguese so the naming stays consistent.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The US people. There went "What does the whole planet start their week on? Really? Well in that case we'll pick Sunday".

    A bit like what they did for pretty much everything else.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    Depends, mine starts on Monday. I also live in SI and ISO. My wife’s starts on Sunday, she goes to church. Although I still don’t get that as the seventh day was a rest day. 

    It does sometimes make talking about Sunday next week confusing.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Because sabbath was the seventh day, the rest day. It predates Christianity. It’s like the very first book of the Old Testament…

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  • [+] -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (12 children)
  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Practically everyone should know SI, or have at least heard of it before. It's the standard system of measurement used in most of the world. It includes base units for time (seconds), distance (meters), mass (kilograms), electric current (amps), temperature (Kelvin), amount of a substance (mole) and intensity of light (candela), plus a bunch of units derived from these.

    It's practically only the USA that doesn't use some of three units (for example, preferring feet over meters)

    ISO is a standards body. They define a bunch of standards. One of the more well-known ones is ISO 8601, which defines standards for dates and times. It specifies that weeks start on Monday.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (7 children)
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    I'd thought I'd see less people of the USA on Lemmy but it seems I cannot escape them

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    There are a lot of us! Especially on English-speaking forums. The US population is close to half of the entire population of Europe.

    But there is a trick to almost completely avoid Americans: frequent a forum in any language other than English.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Says the person posting from a US instance…

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  • [+] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    All the different server instances are independently owned and maintained. Lemmy.world for example I believe is located in Germany or Netherlands, which I think is also where a lot of the admin staff are located? Lemmy.zip I think is hosted in the US. Check join-lemmy.org, I think it tells you where all the various instances are located. Or there’s a similar Lemmy stats site that shows it, I don’t recall exactly, which is why I keep saying “I think” as I would need to double check all that info to be sure. But it’s probably pretty close to accurate.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    .world is nevertheless plastered with US politics, even the neutrally-named ‘politics’ and ‘news’ communities are in fact about the US. I wouldn't be surprised if the admins are in the US, just hosting the site in Europe.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    The “communities” don’t necessarily reflect the instances on which they are hosted. There might be a politics or news community on some other instance which you prefer.

    Pretty sure at least some of the admins there are in Europe.

    I mainly switched off of .world because it was so heavily over-represented in the fediverse both in terms of communities and users. I was hoping to help distribute things more evenly which I think is more I. the spirit and intention of the fediverse.

    And not sure why that other user deleted their comment, I was just trying to answer their question.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    What do people that start the week on sunday call the "weekend"? For them only Saturday is the weekend and Sunday is the weekstart or what?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Σαββατοκύριακο. Saturday and Sunday. It would be far weirder to start the week on Δευτέρα which literally meaning "second".

    Of course in English and other languages Monday does not mean second. Still for Mose western (plus Arabs) Monday has been second after Sunday. Long before Saturday was a day off.

    ISO defining the start of the week as Monday due to it being the first business day (lol) has comparatively little impact.

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  • [–] 62 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    This. Sunday is part of the weekend, not the weekstart.

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  • [+] -8 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    But there's no such thing as the word "weekstart." Weekends are split in half. Saturday is the end of the week and Sunday is the beginning of the week. I am from USA and this has always been my understanding.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    You gotta choose, either weekend = Saturday or weekend = Saturday + Sunday.

    If your case is the 1st just say have a nice Saturday and Sunday. If you say have a nice weekEND for both days, Sunday is the last day of the week.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Sunday is on one end and Saturday is at the other.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    So your week doesn't start ever. Only ends. How? Lets call 1st of January end of the year then.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Ffs...

    Look up the definition of the word end. Stop thinking of it as THE end and street thinking of it as AN end. A length of string has two ends correct? A stick has two ends, correct? Here's a picture of my calendar at home. Note that Sunday is at one end and Saturday is at the other end.

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