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[–] 151 points 9 months ago (48 children)

Among them, “entering houses without permission to use the bathroom,” “break-ins,” “littering,” and people “defecating in private yards” and “complaining when residents catch them.”

I really don't understand how a tourist can think any of this makes sense. Like, would they do this in their country too?

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  • [–] 60 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

    Like, would they do this in their country too?

    Absolutely

    I live in Wyoming, near Yellowstone. The shit tourists do would blow your mind. Chinese tourists are hands down the worst. Comically bad.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I had the absolute fortune to make my way through there at the end of last year. It was so bizarre to me that for the most part people are left alone to follow the rules with no oversight

    And for the most part I saw everyone behaving well and not doing anything stupid; except the group of people trying to take pictures of a bison who was clearly unhappy about how close they were getting. He was grazing and would walk away a couple steps and they would follow. The boi was swishing his tail and showing what I saw were "leave me the fuck alone" signs and I had to at least shout to the people to leave him alone and they were fucking idiots. I was HOPING that they got charged and had some sense knocked into them

    My partner and I had had discussions previously about what we'd do if something like that was about to happen and the kiddo in the car. If it's just us adults then we'll stay and watch the carnage but we'll take off if they're with us

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  • [+] -9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Why would they come to the shithole US?

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 117 points 9 months ago (20 children)

    China. These are China-nese tourists. They used to do the same shit in Taiwan before the government banned them.

    I saw a mom put their kid on the trashcan so he could pee into a trash can. This was an indoor mall.

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  • [–] 51 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    It's a frequent issue in Hong Kong too where people from the mainland will just shit right in the street and walk away like its no big deal.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Oh they do wipe. They preemptively decided to shit in public.

    It's worse that they do wipe. They don't take their tissues with them and drop it on their poop and the wind starts terrorizing the local people cuz that tissue becomes a moving bio weapon.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

    Tourists are usually mindful of the country they're visiting, but then most Mainland Chinese are former farm peasants who suddenly got wealthy for some reason and live in big cities, so able to even travel abroad, but unfortunately have little to no understanding of etiquette and how to properly conduct themselves elsewhere.

    about the damn unable to find the toilet: I'm sure some have trouble communicating in a foreign country, or worse, unable to comprehend symbology, they end up rolling back to default behavior by just squatting and dumping where they see as convenient to them.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    It still feels weird though.
    Farm peasants over here, know to shit in farm areas where it would actually serve as manure, rather than right next to the street.
    I would also assume they actually dig before and cover later.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    usually its very unsanitory to shit in your crops, because you spread bacteria that is more harmful other people. its different from a cows dung feces over humans. E-coli being one of them, thats why they use manure of herbivorious animals over carnivores/omnivores, meat eaters have more potential to have parasites too, in the old ways. but they use synthetical manufactuered fertilizers to avoid the problems altogether.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago*

    What about herbivorous humans :P

    Yeah, despite the older traditions, it is nowadays not recommended to shit directly in the crop area. And turns out traditions of a time only work at that time and place, which might depend upon other, seemingly unrelated traditions.

    But it would still be better off under the soil than on a paved street.


    I guess I understand another reason for that in China. Because most of them ate some sort of meat, shitting in the fields might have ended up being a bad practice.
    But still, what's up with shitting on the streets? Did they somehow just rely on the dogs to clean up the streets?

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    farm peasonts that have always lived there at least for hundreds or thousands of years vs american farm peasants who have been there for like 320 years max, like peasant culture is more modern/new here than other countries

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I am in India. I know people that live in farm areas or have lived there in their childhood (farmer relatives).
    I'm pretty sure their culture is older than just 320 years, but they didn't go around defecating on or next to the streets, which I can say because the streets were not full of human shit. Although there would be the occasional dog shit and then large piles of sun-dried cow shit (which would also be much farther away from the streets).

    Any civilisation that survives through enough disease outbreaks would have at least a rudimentary understanding of environmental cleanliness. If people are dirtying places despite that, then I consider that a reflection of accumulated malice.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Weirdly, you don't see that behavior from Chinese tourists in China. Well I did see one dude have hus toddler piss on the floor of a train because the bathroom was occupied, but he got yelled at, because in chinese culture, its considered disrespectful to piss on the floor. They even have a concept called "别他妈的往地板上撒尿".

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    There is no reasonable explanation here except inadequate availability of public restrooms for the amount of tourists.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    That’s… not the problem. And even if it was, the solution is absolutely not “I guess I’ll shit in that guy’s yard”. Go into a hotel lobby or coffee shop or bar or whatever, ask for the restroom (use your phone as a translator if you need to, because that’s a thing now), and do it there.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

    Also, what exactly are you suggesting "the problem" is, then? Because based on the rest of the thread, it sounds like most of the people refusing to name the problem are quietly (or loudly) encouraging Chinese racism.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Holy fuck, guy, it’s not racism against Chinese people. It’s frustration and irritation against tourists that behave heinously. Those tourists unfortunately happen to be predominantly Chinese. But if Americans or Russians or Brazilians or Indians were doing it, we’d all be having the same reaction. Stop borrowing outrage.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Either you have not read this comment section, or you are deliberately misconstruing it to feel more comfortable with yourself.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    If you’re a guest in a country, don’t be a shithead.

    If you and your countrymen are consistently shitheads to another specific country and their citizens when a guest in said specific country, they’re liable to start changing things to discourage you from coming in the first place, or even make rules to discourage you from visiting in the first place. You are a guest. Fucking act like it.

    The sakura festival went of without a hitch for decades. This is a recent development that came with Chinese tourists beginning to go to the festival a lot more. When you are a tourist, the onus is on you to do some prep work and understand any preparations you should be making. Shitting in someone’s yard is indefensible; a reasonable preparation for the festival is “take a shit at your hotel before going to the festival”. I do not understand why you find this hard to parse.

    It’s not prejudice. It’s common sense and actuarials.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    For the record I am neither Chinese nor Asian, but I assume this is just active voice for dramatic effect.

    This isn't some novel phenomenon special to Japan. Seasonal local festivals that attract many times the local population happen everywhere. At first there's trash everywhere and general chaos.

    Local government and event organizers adapt and improve infrastructure. Or they throw up their hands and say the tourists are impossible to manage.

    In the modern day, they monitor social media and predict crowd sizes based on impressions and engagement. They respond with increased infrastructure that includes trash and bathrooms. That's actuarials.

    Common sense is that tourists don't shit in yards without extreme circumstances forced upon them.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Common sense is that tourists don't shit in yards without extreme circumstances forced upon them.

    Lmfao do you even hear yourself? Where the fuck do you live? Common sense is you don’t shit in random people’s yards. Ever. Full stop. And I’m not endorsing violent response to that sort of thing, but if you were to try that in, say, San Antonio, TX, you’d get shot.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    I'm glad everything always goes right for you and you never encounter circumstances or bodily functions out of your control :)

    Privileged twat.

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  • I am genuinely mystified at how you can call me a “privileged twat” for being a conscientious traveler and tourist, and expecting the same from others as a baseline - because again, when you are a tourist, you are a guest.

    We are not talking about refugees here. We are talking about people who have enough cash to drop on a vacation to a foreign country, and then they go and shit in someone’s yard. That’s simply unacceptable - and, yes, uncivilized. This is not a controversial point to anyone, except you.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    dude its not racism chinese tourist on bad behaviour has happened for the last 10 years and documented on the news for that long, its chinese tourists from china. nobody said british, canadian or even uk chinese people.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Elsewhere in this thread, it definitely sounds like that's the problem? People are saying these are residential neighborhoods where the only public restrooms are in a park, and they were already packed and overflowing.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Even if that is true, how is “I will shit in this random residential yard” a reasonable solution to that?

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I haven't gone to a foreign country on vacation in a long time but... why the fuck would anyone behave like this? Even the 'not my country, I am just a guest' idea is bullshit. Sure tourists are there to have a fun time and would eat and drink more than they would at home but... shitting on the street? Really?

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    [–] 55 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Maybe I'm too Usian to understand this but the article doesn't call out tourists from any particular country. So it's odd to me that China is being called out so much in the comments.

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  • [–] 49 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    People know.. If this news was from somewhere in Europe everyone would be blaming the Brits in the comments. It's known..

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago

    I doubt it.

    Americans and Brits tourists here in Europe do indeed have a certain reputation, but Chinese tourists have such a bad reputation that Brits and Americans are welcomed with open arms.

    The biggest problem are the groups though. Any group is going to behave badly, nationality doesn't matter. And that in combination with how different Chinese culture is in some aspects just has given them a bad reputation worldwide.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Seems odd to me as well. I feel like we need proof other than strangers on the Internet just making claims.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    My impression overall here is that most tourists try to behave very well. I see people from my home country offer gentle gestures like carrying an elderly person's bag up the stairs that they would not do at home.

    The problem are the 3 fuckers among 10000 who behave like shit, and the fact that there are so many tourists especially in high season.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I don't doubt some of this stuff happened, but I also wouldn't be surprised if some of it is nationalist fear mongering. Just like the whole "tourists are kicking the deer" rumor where no evidence ever surfaced. Some nationalist Japanese really like to stoke the anti-foreigner flames.

    But Japan truly does have an over-tourism problem so this could absolutely be justified.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    They desperately need more immigration though, don't they?

    Maybe they could say "you can come to the festival, but only if you don't leave."

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They do but I don't know if there is a significant conversion from tourism to immigration. I think most tourists are taking advantage of the weak yen, not trying to live there long term.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Every South-West European country needs immigration, and practically they are facilitating it, but it doesn't seem that the political speech is any different…

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    I wonder though. The ones running the governments, maximizing the revenues for them to spend, might want more of a population. They might need more rate payers as they borrowed (read stole) the pension contributions in excess of current pension costs over the decades, and now with more retirees, and that money they already taxed already spent, there is a shortfall they don't want to pay back. They all want to default, and the right wing everywhere will try to in whatever ways they can first chance they get, and Japan is no exception.

    The ones providing jobs likewise probably want a larger pool of desperate unemployed to keep wages down, so they don't have to give back to workers some of which they took from to give to investors.

    I wouldn't take as gospel that we need more people, the ones telling us the way things are are the last ones we can trust, and that will follow from the west, to the far east here as Japan has the same dynamic the western nations do.

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    As the article points out, we're also in an election (voting is today (Sunday Japan time)) so the cynical side of me worders if the timing is coordinated since fear and "foreigners bad" are successfully distracting from actual issues of rising prices and stagnant wages leading to a lower quality of life

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    Some things are meant to be local and communal...just let it be.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Tourists who can afford to fly on an airplane and therefore presumably understand how a toilet works are actually defecating in yards? I admit I didn't read the article but it doesn't pass my smell test.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Lots of narrative building going on in this thread. I'm in another comment chain where the case is being made that Japan has the best maintained and widely available toilets in the world and yet people are still choosing to break into homes to use the bathroom and defecate in the open despite this. Hard to believe anyone can genuinely buy this so one can only assume that the underlying intention is, rather than having a discussion in good faith, to pit this on one group of people while absolving the organizers of any accountability.

    Which is their prerogative but it's important that they acknowledge their bias. Japan is headed towards an alarming demographic collapse with 40% of its population being pensioners by 2046. Tourism is one of the few industries that will keep their economy and social services afloat, so I do genuinely hope they figure this out, for their sake.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You would be surprised what percentage of the world, even those with access to air travel, aren’t that familiar with a western or Japanese toilet. Now shitting on someone’s yard is a different issue all together but I’ve seen plenty of hotels with signage in the bathroom of how to use the toilet and specifying that you need to be in the shower when taking a shower.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Wouldn't a bunch of porta potties solve this?

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    There are public bathrooms at the park. It was packed with tourists and their litter when I went in 2024 though.

    As for the streets where people actually live, they shouldn't need to have a bunch of ugly porta-potties occupying the streets in front of their home. It's a place where people have always lived, not a place that exists solely to be a tourist attraction.

    I guess I wrongly assumed all tourists would have the common sense to not defacate in someone else's yard.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There are public bathrooms at the park. It was packed with tourists and their litter when I went in 2024 though.

    Soooo, the festivals are probably put on by the city or area. If the bathrooms at the park were packed, then the city and area should provide more porta potties. It's kind of simple. The cities probably wanted the tourism, but are now realizing that it might not be worth it? That I get. The pooping thing though, that I don't get.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    To be fair, they might've been expecting the trash, but probably weren't expecting all of the renegade pooping. Even at Ueno Park in Tōkyō, which is probably one of the most crowded places during sakura season, you'll see extra trash bins, but not porta-poddies.

    I also didn't go to Arakurayama during the festival. I went in February, and if it was already crowded with literring tourists then, it must be awful during sakura season. Japan has been receiving record overtourism for the past few years (ever since re-opening in late 2022). I saw it mentioned on NHK News like almost every day. Yeah, they might be a little tired of the extra tourists now.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    If the public bathrooms are already packed, and people are finding other places to go, there clearly aren't enough bathrooms to manage the number of tourists. Temporary extra bathrooms like porta-potties are completely reasonable here. Surely they're less of an eyesore than shit in a yard or street.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    The lies nationalists tell are the same all over the world

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago*

    It really is just tourists that people are talking about whenever right wing lunatics talk about borders.

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