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[–] 160 points 9 months ago (23 children)

And yet not a single person involved is being persecuted, bizarre...

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's crazy to me that people still think law in the US equally applies to everyone, and are in shock every time they see that it doesn't.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (13 children)
  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Well yeah. He was the fall guy, and it's WAY easier to suicide someone when they're inside your prison.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    You don't like his tone, but it's very important those two people went to prison. Should more people be in prison? Absolutely.

    We're in a worse situation than that now. There was some rule of law when those two went to prison. They likely wouldn't go today. They weren't just some "faces"; they were the primary people responsible for the crimes.

    The murderers of Renee Good and Alex Pretti aren't in jail.

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  • [+] -8 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    So, "yes a single person". Also Ghislaine was prosecuted. Glad we're on the same page there.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    And just like Epstein, she's getting all kinds of special treatments. Not nearly as egregious as Epstein got, but there's still way too much preferential handling of her food and accomodations.

    But awesome, you're up to 2 people charged in a massive conspiracy to rape children. Cool cool cool cool cool.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I am sure the only reason Maxwell hasn't russuicided like epstein is she has compromising information that would be released on her death. Epstein probably had that too until the president and his pals talked to Israeli intelligence and cut a deal with them. Maxwell likely has her own people, as if this is some Robert Ludlum novel.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Great, glad we're on the same page.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (3 children)

    So you'd agree then that no single person that really matters has been prosecuted then? Because the OP was slightly mistaken that no single person was charged. But hey, they got the 2 faces and none of the people facilitating or buying the services for the rich and powerful, so the rape gang can keep on keeping on.

    But yeah, you got'em!

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    No I think it's very important that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, two child sex traffickers, former also a child sexual abuser, were convicted and imprisoned. They were not the "two faces", they were facilitating (and in Epstein's case, partaking in) the illegal, immoral acts we're talking about.

    You don't know if the rape gang carried on. You've got no evidence for it. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, but it's just wrong to say without evidence.

    Saying it contributes to a world where it's normal to just accuse people of shit. It doesn't only blow onto the wealthy and the powerful who you think are bad - the giant paedophile conspiracy theory which you're subscribing to helped elect Trump. It never mattered that Trump was mentioned in the files - it never mattered what was true because people like the OP, people like you, chat a load of shit and think it's ok. You can do better.

    That is why I care about it. So no, I didn't got'em, because you don't get it.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    You don't know if the rape gang carried on. You've got no evidence for it. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, but it's just wrong to say without evidence.

    Respectfully, this is terminally naive. While you're correct we have no evidence of it continuing, we DO have evidence that there was a raid in his property and none of the blackmail material we've heard about from multiple people over many years, including video evidence, was found and there have been 0 additional convictions related to it so far after over 6 years.

    So there are only a few options:

    1. these two were the only ones involved in a massive child rape gang, and no additional evidence was found

    2. these weren't the only 2 involved, but no evidence was found and the gang just disbanded

    2a) same as 2, but they didn't disband and are continuing raping children

    1. these weren't the only two involved, and evidence was found but not actioned.

    Anything past 3 is complicity, and the only two options I can see for the rape gang not continuing are only likely if you know absolutely nothing about how people operate.

    And given that Jeff's buddy is the goddamned president and has already shown he's not afraid to lean on the justice department, along with Epstein being allowed to operate as an open secret for DECADES, anything short of proof it was stopped is effectively proof it hasn't.

    When the pedo elite get to rape kids with everyone turning a blind eye, there is no good faith argument without evidence that it is not still going on. And I don't care what side you're on, until we have evidence they were stopped, we CANNOT assume they have. In this situation, you have to assume malice given the history of it already.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    And I don’t care what side you’re on, until we have evidence they were stopped, we CANNOT assume they have.

    Absolutely. Not saying "it's still happening" doesn't mean believing it has stopped.

    While you’re correct we have no evidence of it continuing, we DO have evidence that there was a raid in his property and none of the blackmail material we’ve heard about from multiple people over many years, including video evidence

    But loads of material that fits the description of "blackmail material" has now been released. So far it has not been anything that could convict anyone - but it has undoubtedly been incriminating. So there's an obvious possibility that material was found but it did not amount to usable evidence.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This is the second most autistic conversation I've had today. Please allow me to rephrase the conversation till now.

    " No one was arrested"

    " One person was arrested"

    "ONLY one person was arrested because they're specifically NOT arresting anybody else. This is what we're complaining about"

    " So you agree one person was arrested?"

    Like yes, we agree with you about the unimportant point that a nonzero amount of people were arrested, which specifically was NOT what OP meant, ya silly literalist.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I think it's important to be truthful, and I also think it's important that Epstein and Maxwell were both sent to jail.

    And I think it's even more important to push back against statements that are made not for their truth but just for their vibes, and the idea that calling out their lack of truth is somehow an opposition to the vibe. You can just say something true that expresses your feelings adequately, and it doesn't contribute to an environment where truth doesn't matter.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    See, that's where I disagree. I think we should take that time that we're using to self-police people on our side and their language, and then spend that time beating the shit out of Nazis. Verbally, of course.

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  • [–] 110 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Entire intelligence agencies will try to hack into your communications to ensure that cat does not resembles supreme commander. At the same time ignoring that dude which paid 5 bucks in taxes, has private island and absolutely not sus traffic from all over the world.

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  • [–] 56 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    They had hard evidence of the Epstein classes crimes for DECADES.

    At this point it should be self evident that the global intelligence community — likely including the agencies responsible for CSAM — are corrupt to their core and all compromised by the Epstein class of lawless billionaire psychopaths. It's highly likely Epstein and Trump's entire pedo sex trafficking ring was created by American/Israeli intelligence orgs to extort and blackmail globally, considering Ghislaine Maxwells dad was so high up that every living Israeli PM attended his funeral; some giving speeches alluding to his espionage.

    Just like the police, these secret police exist to protect and defend capital. Capital IS "national security". They don't give a shit about laws, morality, democracy, or any of the other virtue signals Hollywood et al perpetuate. If they did, they wouldn't have ignored the evidence about hundreds of billionaire pedophiles, for DECADES.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    the agencies responsible for CSAM — are corrupt to their core

    No. They mostly do good work. I don't believe the people going to the island were generally passing around large amounts of CSAM sourced publicly, like forums or Reddit.

    I'm so tired of people just taking the vibes they want from words and ignoring the meaning of full sentences. It's a form of illiteracy.

    I get that we're angry.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    If our most top secret entities are corrupted by pedophiles — have enabled and protected pedophiles for decades — what are the chances that other high-profile secretive targets, like the agencies that deal with CSAM, are not?

    We're talking about a tool that has been proposed for client-side scanning of every computer. You really think these people wouldn't plan to get involved to ensure their own devices are excluded, or any logs that relate to them never get passed onto other law enforcement?

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  • [–] 201 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Open sores software? Ouch, sounds painful.

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  • [–] 82 points 9 months ago* (11 children)

    Mitch Webber's original email to him was essentially "yeah you're golden, fuck as many minors as you like, just bring them to another state first". And he still seems to have kept his job at (checks notes) an antisemitism group.

    ...what would happen if one were to transport a minor for sex — or transport oneself with the intent to have sex with a minor — into a state in which the age of consent is below eighteen (assuming the minor is above the age of consent in the given state)? And your intuition was right. The answer is that there is no violation of law.”

    Let's be clear: everyone has a right to be represented by a lawyer in court, and we shouldn't judge lawyers for defending rapists because they're literally their job. But that's not what's happening here; this is him actively helping Epstein figure out the best way to rape children.

    https://jewishpostandnews.ca/uncategorized/antisemitism-group-keeps-board-member-who-emailed-epstein-on-the-legality-of-transporting-minors-for-sex/

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    he still seems to have kept his job at (checks notes) an antisemitism group.

    to be clear, this is a group for prevention of antisemitism and not a group who aims to be antisemitic, right?

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    “Antisemitism” has been redefined to mean opposition to the genocide of Palestinians.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    well, don't stoop to their level. innocent jews still exist.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    innocent jews still exist.

    Absolutely, and I'd say even the majority. Sadly, the non-innocent ones have just devalued the definition of antisemitism so harshly that it cannot be used anymore without the assumption of bad connotation. I would recommend coming up with a new, more specific term that can't be used as a genocide shield.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Indeed, and the word doesn't fit anyway. Arabs are a semetic peoples. Bigotry takes many forms, but idk if hating a country's actions would fit into any of them in an honest definition. It's not xenophobia to oppose the actions of a government, I don't know what type of bigotry would even be close.

    Because opposing official actions of a country, is not bigotry. Opposing the actions of a people, is not bigotry under any reasonable definition unless you are opposing it because of whom they are.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It’s just fucked that in a time where Nick Fuentes is getting mainstream airtime, organizations which claim to fight antisemitism are often more concerned with justifying Gaza.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    there are people like Ben Shapiro that are on the same side as those bastards while emphasizing the "JUDEO" part of "JUDEO-Christian values" which , btw, is a term that has been engineered specifically to exclude islam out of the group of "Abrahamic religions", and/or to shove jews into the same bucket as the majority when "christian values" would be used instead.

    it's fucking dog whistles all the way down.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Ostensibly, yes. As far as I can tell from their entry in influencewatch they also do something called "pro-Israel legal advocacy", but I don't know what that is. Either way it's not a great look having Epstein's consigliere on board.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Legal advocacy for Israel is likely very dark stuff, to name a few possibilities here, the new anti protest laws states passed around 2018 deserve mention along with their campaigns to turn the opposition to big money and Israel into domestic terrorists. They have laws on the tamer end that cancel the bill of rights and make it against the law to support the boycott movement. Some just for state contracts, but some go farther, either way it's punishing 1st amendment protected activity.

    The advocacy can be connected to their pursuit of critics under accusations of supporting terrorism and financing, and advocacy can be pressuring prosecutors, politicians, judges, the media, etc. to take the position that there is a terror angle. At which point they could take all of their assets, arrest everyone tangentially involved, seize those tangential peoples' assets, get them all fired, could file rico to boot, private or public and expand it out further with a friendly judge.[

    There are also new laws from around 2018 that illegalize protest. These were orchestrated by fossil fuel companies in response to oil project protests and the like mostly. A lot of the more shitholier states passed them. Some, I think AZ might be one, it was reported in the Intercept I could find it, make organizers responsible for anything and everything that happens at a protest. There was a lot more to them than that. Impeding critical infrastructure is like a serious felony if not domestic terrorism with it. Chaining yourself to an oil pipeline under construction could see you in prison for life with all of your assets stolen and those of everyone you have any connection to basically. Being told to leave an area and not doing it immediately, or being accused of not doing it, is a serious felony if not terror. They are a further repudiation of the 1st amendment.

    So an Israel protest they could have their own guy punch someone, the organizers could be charged, and face ruinous 100k fines and the like if I recall. It is just built for agents of the groups being accused to create and incident and destroy the organizers, and others involved in the protest. Or blocking a road, crossing the street could get you accused of blocking it and you are a terrorist or at the least a person facing 30 years in prison or whatever and hundreds of thousands in fines.

    I am not sure if the greenpeace rico kangaroo court ruling used these new laws in north dakota, but that is sort of how it will play out. Basically going forward you can't have any established group sponsor or even endorse a protest.

    Even if the charges don't stick it's ruinous to be charged and they know that, and the Israeli superfans are as vicious and capricious as they come, pleasuring in their impunity as the chosen people (of the US Government,) that are above law and given absolute power over American politics. A notion only we dispute.

    https://theintercept.com/2019/08/19/oil-lobby-pipeline-protests/ Same issue different article than I read, search engines don't try to find what you ask anymore they give you one close, maybe, from the publication you are asking. Problem started for me in 2021 before that it worked I could find any article with knowledge from memory.

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  • [–] 121 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The dude that took that email was on his work computer at Harvard! Fucking wild.

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  • From the about dialog:

    “What is this?

    You're browsing Epstein's email inbox.

    The Jmail Suite is an interactive archive of Jeffrey Epstein's emails, documents, photos, and more. Data compiled from the House Oversight Committee, Department of Justice, and DDoSecrets releases.”

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    It's probably what has surprised me the most about all this, how much has happened on free hosted email accounts.

    I guess it means that privacy from human eyes (i.e. not automated scanning) is pretty good. Or Google/Yahoo is in on a conspiracy but I can't imagine regular operations staff being made aware of it.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago*

    Doesn’t have to be regular ops staff. Might be that some accounts are flagged as exempt because they’re too rich and special. Someone gets a list of those accounts and just plug it in somewhere.

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  • [+] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    It's highly likely that Epstein and Trumps entire operation was created with the support and cooperation of American and Israeli "intelligence" orgs. Basically, the intelligence agencies are compromised by billionaire pedophiles. They exist to protect and defend the capital of the billionaire pedophiles. In capitalism, the profits of the billionaire class IS "national security".

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    It is certain, we know this was Israeli intelligence, the CIA had to be involved, through action or inaction, this is their reason for being, preventing politicians and business leaders from being blackmailed by foreign leaders. This is the kind of thing that would justify extreme prejudice with foreign agents that were blackmailing politicians, and would've been if...

    If what? Why was the CIA complicit in what could only be described as an unforgivable betrayal of the United States. Did Israeli intelligence first compromise the CIA chief, then use that to compromise everyone else? It would've had to be a number of higher ups in the CIA however, and the FBI. There are a number of people that could've dropped a dime on this but didn't apparently, so there was a structure in place to dissuade anyone from not going along with this Betrayal.

    Obviously some would've been true believers, and all in those positions chosen to not have high minded ideals but to defer to authority and the chain of command.

    But the CIA and FBI directors, and other deputies at a minimum, were complicit through action or inaction that is without question, and the CIA director is absolutely culpable directly. Maybe Hoover's old blackmail file?

    That's it. There was a rumour about that too, Hoover's blackmail being stolen by some shady group, it was in a robert ludlum novel, which I didn't read, in that they killed him, when he was old already, making it look natural, and used the blackmail file for nefarious purposes. In Ludlum's books it's usually some nazi aligned industrialists. Not far off the mark.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Do however keep in mind that the entire intent here seemed to be the creation of blackmail, it's not just banality of evil but also ol Jeffy making sure that the dark desires of his marks was properly documented for mossad or whoever he was being funded by. He wasn't worried about being caught by the state, he was an actor of the state.

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    Epstein was an Israeli government asset. He knew he would be protected. He didn't need opsec.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I’ve been hearing that, but only from random comments here and there. Is there an authoritative article somewhere?

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    you heard wrong. Epstein had extensive connections to Israel, much more than he had with Russia.

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Sufficently advanced hubris is indistiguishable from incompetence.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago

    It's like that saying about owing the bank money, if it's small amounts, you have a problem, if tens of billions, it's the bank's problem.

    So it goes for being an Israeli honeypot entrapping politicians and swells into raping children and other perversions (and tax evasion,) on camera. You catch one of them doing it is your problem if caught. If you catch a critical mass of them doing it, on camera, it's their problem.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago

    the best security is to not be in great conflict of interest with great powers

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago

    Complete arrogance about ever getting caught because you have blackmail on everyone is the signal of the rich.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    That quote could mean a lot of things /s

    It reminds me of my coke dealer

    Me: drugs? Him: drugs.

    Then I swing by. Say what you will about hard drugs least I’m not out looking for teenagers. What do you even talk to teenager about, even coked out. School?

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago

    Gmail is the signal of the rich

    *Posts a picture from yahoo mail

    Lol

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Impunity is the strongest encryption

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    The fact that all these communications were pulled from GMail and presumably known to law enforcement for years shows its not signal.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Email is never private. The protocol is not secure. You have to add an encryption layer on top to get that, and it's annoying to manage.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    The point I'm making is Gmail is in the cloud and the feds got all the logs. Encryption is one way to protect email. Another is use a server in another jurisdiction. But neither is comparable to Signal.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    lol fucking yahoo, too XD

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    We need protection from them, they don't need protection from us.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    them open sores software . . . gotta let them heal

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Sure, but you’re not an agent of the state and are more likely to be arrested for your cat videos than Epstein was about pedophilia.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Is the boot partition on a separate drive because the unencrypted partition would somehow reveal information about the drive that could be used to analyze the encrypted portions?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Someone could install something on the unencrypted boot partition to leak the key next time it gets used

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Would this not apply even if the unencrypted boot partition is on another physical drive? You still have to enter the passphrase into the prompt at boot. Wouldn't a compromised boot partition be able to access the passphrase in memory at that time, and use that to access the key?

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  • [+] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Who is this hacker known as 4 Chan?

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