The next phase of ICE’s big ramp-up: a nationwide network of vast detention facilities. But guess what? Even parts of Red America are saying no.

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[–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

Yet these detention dreams are hitting stiff opposition. ICE wants to buy a warehouse in Virginia’s Hanover County, which went for Trump by 26 points in 2024 and combines rural territory with Richmond’s northern suburbs. Residents recently turned out in force and angrily condemned the proposed sale, with local reports suggesting only a “handful” backed it. The GOP-heavy Board of Supervisors opposed the transaction. The warehouse owner canceled the sale.

Meanwhile, in New Jersey, the Republican-dominated Roxbury Township Council, in slightly-Trump-leaning Morris County, recently voted unanimously to oppose ICE’s plans to buy a warehouse there, with some locals sharply protesting the scheme for humanitarian reasons. The Republican mayor of Oklahoma City came out against a proposed ICE warehouse, with the owner also nixing the sale. Officials in places like Kansas City, Missouri, and Salt Lake City, Utah, are also dead set against plans for ICE camps in their locales.

Guess what: The opposition is only getting started. As MS NOW’s Rachel Maddow noted in a useful overview of the opposition Monday night, we’re already seeing mass protests outside existing facilities. Those are smaller than some of the gargantuan new camps ICE hopes to create, yet migrant deaths are already soaring in the current facilities, and the bigger ones will be even worse. “If they build them, they will fill them,” Maddow said, labeling them “prison camps.” She added: “How do you think those facilities are going to be run?”

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    [–] 94 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Will this be the thing that finally makes Trump's base abando-

    Of course not, don't be ridiculous.

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah they don’t care. Articles like this are lib clickbait “don’t revolt” propaganda. MAGA don’t even KNOW this is happening. Ask one, they’ll be like “What?” Or “yeah for Mexicans”

    Ask them if they know the name Pretti, they’ll tell you they’re Pretti tired of your fake news.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It's a cult. They'll abandon him a decade or so after he dies.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    While I hope you’re right—they’re still saluting Hitler in 2026, so I think this might be a problem for a long time. Especially with how much media there is of him to brainwash future generations.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    That's the thing, they might retreat for an election cycle, but the propaganda network will have people voting for trumpists in the one after that.

    People will get tired of guilt and they will band together re elect trump apologists. The next generation raised on stories of how great trump was will likely be even more dangerous. Trump is a fool and a megalomaniac, a slightly more competent trumpist with most of the charisma could show up any day after he is gone.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    Yeah until they see themselves in those that are being detained, they won’t give two shits.

    Oh wait, they’re incapable of doing that because that would require the insight and empathy they see as detrimental to their existence.

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    They're trying to build a prison, for you and me to live in

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago

    "I'd like to share a story from a local paper in Coldwater, Michigan dated to the 9th of April, 1945. It tells how the US Army, under General Patton--the US 3rd Army--came onto what you might call a detention center just outside the village of Ohrdruf, Germany. 

    The US Army brought the leading citizens of Ohrdruf to tour the facility, which turned out to be part of the Buchenwald network of concentration camps. A US Army colonel told the German civilians who viewed the scenes, without muttering a word, that they were to blame. 

    One of the Germans replied that what happened in the camp was (quote) 'done by a few people, and you cannot blame us all.' And the American, who could have been any one of our grandfathers, said, 'this was done by those that the German people chose to lead them, and all are responsible.' 

    The morning after the tour, the Mayor of Ohrdruf killed himself. And maybe he did not know the full extent of the outrages that were committed in his community, but he knew enough. And we don't know exactly how ICE will use this warehouse. But we know enough. 

    I ask you to consider what the Mayor of Ohrdruf might have thought before he died. Maybe he felt like a victim. He might have thought, 'how is this my fault? I have no jurisdiction over this.' Maybe he would have said, 'this site was not subject to local zoning, what could I do?' 

    But I think, when he reflected on the suffering that occurred at this camp, just outside of town, that those words would have sounded hollow even to him. Because in his heart he knew--as we do--that we are all responsible for what happens in our community. 

    I urge the council to take action to stop, or stall, or at the barest minimum to think creatively about how to exercise oversight over this proposed ICE facility. Thank you."

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    "Vast holding facilities" AKA concentration camps. They still mince their words, but their actions speak clear.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    For context: The average maximum security prison is 800-1200 people, and the largest, at 8300, is in Angola, LA. That has been sufficient for the most incarcerated nation in America. But MAGA thinks we need to imprison even more.

    Everybody seems to have forgotten that one of Trump's first Executive Orders was the construction of a 30,000 bed facility in Guantanamo Bay.

    Expanding Migrant Operations Center at Naval Station Guantanamo Bay to Full Capacity

    Trump to prepare facility at Guantanamo for 30,000 migrants

    And the $250 million contract has been awarded:

    Constellis Announces $249 Million Construction Contract at U.S. Naval Base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba

    Work is currently on progress, and slated to end in 2029, for the next president, I presume.

    They've been deporting people as fast as they can catch them, and yet they are building facilities all over America, and now this giant one in Guantanamo Bay. If they are deporting people, who do they plan on putting there? The official answer was high profile illegal immigrant criminals, whose home countries couldn't be trusted to hold them, but there can't be that many of those people.

    So who do they plan holding there, far from the prying eyes of family, lawyers, courts, and especially the media?

    And what happens a few years down the line, when nearly all immigrants have been removed? What are they going to do with the richest agency in the government? What are they going to do with all those massive concentration camps? Close them down, and give back the money? Or find a new boogeyman to utilize those resources?

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I don't think assuming that NIMBYs don't want something in "their backyard" for moral reasons is the right take. NIMBYs by definition are selfish and just don't want whatever it is near them. It's "Not In My BackYard".

    The places in these red states are probably more than happy to have some more ICE mega-prisons, just in somebody else's backyard.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Exactly. These guys love prisons and detention centers, they just want them to be built somewhere else.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Yup. In some cases, I bet it is some of the very same dipshits in the hatriot movement that spent the 90s and 00s telling each other scary stories about FEMA death camps, and how Janet Reno, Hillary and Bill Clinton, and the black helicopters were coming for their penises, er, guns, and throw them into FEMA death camps so that the Socializms could be imposed on Murica.

    I suppose it's probably all fine if it's being overseen by shitstains like Miller and Pedonald and if the (first) people being targeted are brown, black, liberal, trans, etc...

    It's projection. It's ALWAYS projection. I'd love to see hatriots tracked over time and what they've supported under Donvict.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEMA_camps_conspiracy_theory

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I took the same thing from this article as you. This is part of why Guantanamo Bay never closed; there was no place where the detainees' presence was tolerated. People don't want the object of their fear in their backyard. They want it as far away as possible. This is also why the six extermination camps like Auschwitz were not on German soil. Not in Germans' backyard.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Fun fact - when Obama declared that he was going to close Guantanamo Bay, mitch mcconnell decided that he would do whatever it took to keep it open, because his sole purpose for existing at that time was to obstruct Obama's policies. He did that in part by pushing legislation that made it illegal to transfer foreign detainees to American soil, effectively making it so that there was nowhere else to keep them. It was less to do with people tolerating detainees presence and more to do with mcconnell just gumming up the works because fuck Obama.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Yes, McConnell was a big factor, but Democrats went along with him, and that was probably NIMBY-related https://www.npr.org/2009/05/20/104334339/democrats-block-funding-to-close-guantanamo

    WELNA: Like Majority Leader Reid, Indiana Democrat Evan Bayh is up for reelection next year. He, too, opposes sending Guantanamo detainees to the U.S.

    EVAN BAYH: We have a supermax facility in Terre Haute, Indiana. I don't think the citizens of my state would look too kindly on having those folks housed in our state.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Which Christian sect is the right one, asking for a friend?

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  • The only good NIMBYs can do

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    "Did I say death camps? I meant happy camps."

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Wait until they are almost done, and then burn them to the ground. After a while, no insurance company will cover them. This is the same reason that I see no issue with vandalizing Teslas, as long as the owners are not hurt.

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    I swear to god, these people see The Holocaust as a blueprint.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Lmao, the MAGAs lose to the ultimate buzz killer, the NIMBYs!

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  • Well your choice folks at this point. Die on your feet or on your knees.

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    [–] 11 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    “Fury” in his own camp? These people protect kidfuckers. They’re not furious about a god damned thing.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Classic whataboutism. The kidfucking has nothing to do with this story.

    Two things can be bad at the same time.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

    I think you need to revisit the definition of whataboutism, because what I said isn’t even remotely similar.

    It’s using one example to prove the inaccuracy of a statement, not to distract from it or to defend it.

    “People who commonly rob homes are suddenly furious about check fraud!”

    …would be a stupid and inaccurate assumption to make. And suggesting that people who protect child molestation are probably not furious about wanting Trump does is not at all whataboutism.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    It's great that you think that. You're wrong, though. You conflated two unrelated issues into an argument, which is the literal definition.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    I created an example of one thing to disprove another, which is not even remotely the same.

    And it was ONE unrelated issue, the other issue was the fucking subject of the post.

    Now you seem to want an argument, and I’m not here to debate rhetoric so, let’s agree to disagree.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I didn't want an argument. You brought up an irrelevant topic to back your point. I'm fine leaving this lie where we are, but you don't get a free pass that you were somehow arguing in good faith.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Look, if you want to talk about Epstein, that's fine. I encourage it. Just do it in relevant threads going forward, such that this community doesn't devolve into Reddit.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Dude… I made a sarcastic response to the content in your post and you are getting defensive as if I’m calling you out personally.…

    Lighten up. We all need to blow off some steam. If you want this community locked down so that people can’t respond to content with jokes, you really shouldn’t be invoking Reddit to defend your stance as that’s about the most Reddit way to run a community.

    I’ll go ahead and block this comm from my feed moving forward and suggest others do the same if they think that there might come a day where they feel a snarky comment might fit the mood of a post.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    I'm glad you think that. It has no bearing on reality, as your initial comment had no signs of sarcasm, and I've been an editor since the '90s, so maybe the communication issue is on your end. Regardless, the fact that I'm leaving your comments up should suggest that I do appreciate conversation; I just don't enjoy poorly formed arguments.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Fwiw, I think Roehri was pretty clear in their initial comment, and while you had a point that two things can be bad at once I can definitely see why they would balk at “whataboutism”.

    Neither one of yall had to keep pushing it this far, but imo if either one of you really owes the other a “whoops, my bad”, it would probably be you.

    It’s not a big deal, and Idgaf if you do it or not. I just thought you might wanna know.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Well, the polls are certainly encouraging. I'm not fully convinced that this is indeed Trump's true base abandoning him. Also, while I know the article wasn't arguing this, from what I understand, historically, tyrants that are elected are particularly difficult to remove. I will not celebrate just yet.

    This is definitely progress though, and a good article. I'm sharing this one. It is... a source of light in dark times.

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