alt textA drawing of a person laying on the ground, seen from the side. There is text on the image, "We still talk about you". Deep in the ground, there is the Adobe Flash logo.

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[–] [S] 89 points 9 months ago (7 children)

today adobe announced they are killing adobe animate, which was one of the last remnants of flash. instead of making it open-source, or just leaving it alone, they are stopping updates in march this year, and making the program completely unuseable next year.

i'm not gonna dwell on the usual platitudes about how evil adobe is. you've heard them before and you'll hear them again. but, yea 🙃

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I hope people put in the effort to patch out whatever time bombs Adobe puts into it like people did with Flash player.

    Although unlike with Flash player, there's probably not going to be a China version that continues to produce updates for it.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    There's also an open source runtime for flash now, to. Ruffle is super neat

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    It's great and for most stuff out there works very well, though it does have a few undocumented functions left that still trip some software up, which is why its good to have the originals in a working state.

    But Ruffle is improving greatly so hopefully those issues will be solved soon.

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  • [–] 48 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    In it's heyday nerds like us fucking hated it because it was a proprietary plugin that broke sites on an otherwise open web. We remember it fondly because it made animation accessible for young creatives. In Winter 08/09 I was interning on the first season of Ugly Americans and they were still animating in an old version of Flash MX, even though like CS6 was out by that point. Today though there are creative apps where you can still do Flash-style vector animation, and the modern internet has no problem serving up rendered videos of the final output without the need for a plugin.

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  • [+] 27 points 9 months ago* (7 children)
  • [–] [S] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    i think you're right. the technology itself was arguably garbage, i've heard from many people i have no reason to distruss that it was a security nightmare, and i don't especially miss going on any random website and seeing "you need to install the adobe flash player extension!"

    still, the modern web feels different. even if HTML5 and WASM can do everything flash could and then some, it's not the same... you don't really see websites filled with amateur web games anymore.

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  • [+] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    There’s still plenty of amateur web stuff around. It’s just not nearly as big a percentage. Lemmy is kind of amateur web stuff. (Not calling Lemmy devs amateur, it’s just not a big corporate bullshit platform.)

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  • [+] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I don’t think that’s accurate. There’s orders of magnitude more amateur stuff online now than back in the Wild West days of the web. The sprawling metropolis didn’t shrink any of the expansive wilderness, they both grew, at different rates. It is harder to find the amateur stuff, but that’s not cause there’s any less of it.

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  • [–] 41 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Don't let the dream die, install Flashpoint today!

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I discovered flashpoint a couple months ago. It works great even in Linux. I love to play some old Flash games.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Related question: Does the game "Mike Shadow: I paid for it" work for you on Linux? It doesn't for me, except for the Infinite Cash Hack version.

    Just curious because I discovered this game not working a couple days ago, will maybe report it as a bug.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It seems to work, I got a white screen for a little while, I thought it would not work and as I was about to close the window it started. I played the first stage and it works. Mabe just wait for it to load ?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago*

    Turns out my game was somehow not installed correctly. Because it's a legacy game there is no uninstall option (which is what I would've tried) but you can right click the game in the grid -> Show Game in Explorer and delete the file to force a reinstallation. After reinstalling, the size of its .swf tripled.

    I guess the game was downloading during the white screen and I must have closed and interrupted it.

    But thanks for checking, I wouldn't have discovered the solution otherwise!

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago

    Here is an open source multiplatform flash engine/player written in Rust;

    https://ruffle.rs/

    https://flathub.org/en/apps/rs.ruffle.Ruffle

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Has Madness, but still no Gangsta War.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Sometimes copyrighted stuff gets dmca'd?

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    I take it the technology was shit, but damn, people made awesome things with it

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    Flash was very influential to my life surprisingly

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Who hackers? Zero day exploiters? You still have PDF for that

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Strangely we really do. Nothing like it.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    type:swf does however bring up around 8.5k results on e621.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    First flash, then even Flipnote… 😞

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    WASM intensifies

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Oh boy, here I go again with Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music. Early 2000s Flash content was sick!

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Do we? I’m a web dev and I haven’t talked about Flash in years.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    You are talking about it now .

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Correct. And I haven’t talked about it in years.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You can say it today, but not tomorrow.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    I mean, since we’re talking about it, I am so happy that Flash is dead. It was an absolute nightmare for support, accessibility, security, and open source code. It wasn’t quite as bad as ActiveX, but it was pretty close. Let’s all collectively agree to never implement any technology like Flash into the browser again.

    Let me explain the open source code part. Before GCC, C compilers were closed source and expensive. This meant that if you wanted to work on an open source project that was written in C, you had to buy a compiler. That’s the same as Flash. There were open source Flash players, but as far as I know, there were no open source Flash compilers. Just Macromedia/Adobe. So anything open source written in Flash/ActionScript was only accessible to people who could afford the software license. That sucks.

    Speaking of accessible, Flash was not. If you were browsing the web with a screen reader, the vast majority of Flash content was completely walled off from you. The accessibility implementation in Flash had to be specifically coded for, unlike HTML, which is relatively accessible by default.

    For a while, Flash was the way people embedded video into web pages. This was neat, but again, a nightmare to work on. Flash players required very specific video encodings, so you’d likely have to transcode the video to embed it or at least remux it, and for a while, that wasn’t free. It also meant that a different piece of software was requesting the video as that which requested the page. This could cause some very difficult to track bugs.

    Not all systems supported Flash, because why the fuck would Adobe give a shit about Unix? At least there was Linux support for the player, but if you wanted to make Flash content, your choices were Windows or Mac.

    Last, but not least, Flash refused to die for a long time, which ultimately held back the industry. For almost a decade, it was very common to have to mux two copies of the exact same streams, just for people who were still clinging to Internet Explorer and Flash. People were really pissed off when websites stopped working when browsers abandoned Flash, but that was the fault of naive web devs who built their sites in a faulty, insecure technology. They didn’t get the blame. The browsers got the blame. And a lot of them kept Flash around well after its development had been discontinued, just for that reason.

    Good riddance, Flash.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I sure as fuck don't.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Radiskull & Devil Doll

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