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[–] 223 points 9 months ago* (15 children)

“Republicans ought to nationalize the voting,” Trump told former deputy FBI director and conservative commentator Dan Bongino on his radio show on Monday. “We have states that I won that show I didn’t win. ..."

This shows how he thinks. He has no evidence he won, and cannot have evidence because he didn't win. But a mind like Trump's makes no distinction between what he wants the truth to be and what is the truth. There's no room at all for the notion of being wrong, or the idea that you might need to find out the truth. If it would serve you for something to be true, then it is true. This is a deeply broken mind.

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  • [–] 124 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It's the mind of a spoiled child who's never been told "no".

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    You just described the OS of a narcissist.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago*

    It's the mindset of a religious extremeist.

    Faith-based, motivated reasoning, that is very often utterly delusional.

    The exact opposite of critical thinking.

    The conclusion is already known, the evidence and reasoning must be made to fit.

    As opposed to... the evidence is known, the reasoning must lead to any potential conclusion, and when the body of evidence changes, this neccesitates revision of conclusions.

    This is a very serious problem for way, way, waaaay more people than just Trump.

    Trump just is his own God, as he is a malignant narcissist, but there are basically around 100 million people minimum in the US whose brains basically operate in this way.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    According to the constitution, running elections is in the purview of the state, by right.

    Also, elections should never, ever be run by a party. That's completely contradictory to the entire basis for american democracy.

    I know these things are obvious and shouldn't need to be said, but apparently they do. Don't let insanity win by refusing to state the obvious.

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  • [–] 176 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    There are still many unanswered questions about the Georgia raid, such as why a criminal investigation has been opened into an election that took place six years ago and was audited three times

    Someone’s buttfrustrated

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  • [–] 81 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    So that's why he shat himself on live TV yesterday?

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    No, that was just the regular Sunday unloading. Most unfortunate that there were people in the room.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Not pics but a smoking fart. From January 29:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_6kGluvINg

    There's a small but audible fart around :33, and what some maintain is a squelchy sound around :44, but pay attention to the faces and positions of the people behind him, esp Ms. Green Jacket and Bobby Brainworm, and then the sudden immediacy with which the reporters are herded out. "Thank you! Thank you everyone! Thank you!" But keep your eyes on the two behind him: Bobby's making some remark to her about it and she appears to want to use her folder to fan the air but is stopping herself until the reporters are out.

    Also, enjoy the comments, lol.

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  • [–] 117 points 9 months ago (24 children)

    President Trump called on Republicans “to take over the voting in at least 15 places” in advance of the next election

    Yeah, that can't happen. We're going to have to stop them. Volunteer to be a poll worker, especially if you happen to live in any of these "15 places." This article doesn't say specifically which places these are, but I think it's safe to assume they are important swing districts.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (21 children)

    They won't need to do anything but put ICE outside the polls in non white neighborhoods. They will do this anywhere they can to intimidate voters. Enough people will not go vote just because of their presence there.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (20 children)

    They won't need to do anything but put ICE outside the polls

    Then we show up and put ourselves between the polls and ICE.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago* (19 children)

    I don't disagree. I like that spirit. I'm just telling you the reality that unless ICE (or "election integrity enforcement" or whatever they end up calling it) is not present AT ALL than there will be significantly less voter turnout.

    They will also use any organized resistance as a reason to "recount" the votes in that area.

    I'm not saying this to be a Doomer. I'm saying this so people prepare. There is no scenario in which the upcoming election is free and fair. We need to be preparing state and local level resistance. A unified and state armed multi state coalition. If the blue state politicians don't move on this. Well, we need to start considering that our state governments are not taking the threat seriously and accept what needs to be done to form a real resistance. ICE will not leave because we brought signs. Alex Pretti had the right idea. But we need the organization of an actual state government to do that.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (18 children)

    A unified and state armed multi state coalition.

    That's what they want. The fascists want us to give them a reason to escalate, because escalation will ensure that people stay away from the polls. We need to be organized, we need to be unified and we need to form a real resistance, but we also need to be smart, and that means NOT giving the fascists exactly what they're hoping for.

    ICE will not leave because we brought signs.

    Signs don't threaten them, that's true, and that's exactly the point. They want us to threaten them, because then they can escalate. We need to be smart. That doesn't mean we need to be ineffectual or passive, it means we need to be very careful about how we proceed.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    You are falling for political talking points by weak politicians that do not want to stand up for the people they represent that are being killed and kidnapped. I need you to understand something important. Fascist DO NOT need an EXCUSE to escalate. How do you think we got to SS troops going door to door asking for papers? Was it because of all the escalating excuses we gave them?

    Please, we need people like you to not fall for Democrat politicians that are just trying to save themselves.

    You also offered no alternative. Your advice to be "careful" is not advice. If you actually had a proposal I'd be interested in discussing that. But you are essentially arguing for doing nothing as the fascist continue to escalate in the face of nothing being done.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    But you are essentially arguing for doing nothing

    No, that's not true. I am arguing that we must be smart about what we do. Nonviolence is not the same as doing nothing.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    Do you have a line? Like, how many people need to be executed by the feds? Is violence never justified in response to federal violence? Or do you have a line?

    How many? 10? 100? 1000? At what point do you suggest fighting back? And I am not even advocating for a vigilante violence. I'm literally talking about preparing an organized defense that is armed.

    You can't wait until your chosen number of dead is reached. By then it's too late.

    How is what I discussed not being "smart" about what we do? It's literally about preparing an organized state defense to the fascist literally executing and kidnapping people RIGHT NOW.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    Do you have a line?

    What's yours? If your line has been crossed, you go do something about it. Go ahead. I'm rooting for you.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Good job avoiding the question. My line was crossed already. I am. I'm the person out there with the sign today (something I doubt you are even doing, but literally just telling us to keep doing that, to keep getting tear gassed, keep getting shot with pepper bombs).

    If you were even doing the thing you were advocating for. That is. "protesting peacefully" you wouldn't have the ignorant perspective you have. Stop advocating for something you clearly aren't even doing.

    By the time your line gets crossed you'll be too scared to even go hold a sign.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    You're right, I'm too scared. I'm clearly not cut out for this resistance stuff. But I'm sure you've got what it takes, so I'm pulling for you. Go get those fascists!

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I guess you're just using sarcasm to deal with denial of what is happening.

    I get it. The things I'm talking about needing to be done are likely not going to happen. I would say we are both coping with the reality in different ways.

    I don't want to be upset with you for dealing with it another way. I guess I just think you're holding onto the idea of a world (or the USA) that no longer exists.

    I think there is no way to a better future that isn't fought for against the current systems that exist. You, I am assuming, are trying to restore something (and if I'm being critical that "something" is a delusion of the past). It's why it's so difficult for you to state any concrete plan as I have. Your advice was "be careful" and then fell back on just belittling any talk of organized resistance as some form of adventurism.

    It's why you have to pretend I'm talking about something I'm not talking about. You act like I'm talking about some vigilante form of resistance. And I never have been.

    I wish you'd try to continue the conversation instead of just falling back on sarcastic responses that criticize a position I don't hold.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I guess I just think you're holding onto the idea of a world (or the USA) that no longer exists.

    Not necessarily. I think we are in the early days of the unwinding of US hegemony. I really don't think anything is going to stop that, at this point, and I think that's a good thing for the world, and even the US, in the long run. But I think a weakening US is at least potentially a dangerous thing, in the near term. I hope leveler heads will prevail but I'm not sure there are enough of those around in this country right now. I definitely hope I'm wrong, though.

    I think the US might even collapse. Not necessarily in the very near future, but at some point. And by collapse I mean the Federation dissolves and the Federal government ceases to exist. Some states might try to become independent nations, some might try to form a new federation or union. I'm not saying I think that's going to happen, or even that I think it's likely, but I think it's a possibility, albeit perhaps a remote one.

    There are a lot of future possibilities for the US, some better than others, but I don't know which future will happen nor which future "should" happen, necessarily. I just don't know. But I assure you, I'm not under any delusion that we can return to some mythical, stable past where everything was sunshine and roses. No, the past ain't coming back, nor should it. But that's the extent of what I'm confident about. Beyond that the future is a dense fog of possibility, and I certainly don't have the clarity to see which we are headed for.

    It's why it's so difficult for you to state any concrete plan

    I haven't stated a concrete plan because I don't have one. I have a general idea of what I want the US to be, but I have no idea how to bring that about. But even my general idea is not static. I constantly go back and forth on what I even want for this country. Do I want the US to even continue existing? Should we "balkanize?" Should the Federation remain in place, but perhaps with a significantly "weakened" Federal government? Or, should the opposite happen, with more centralization and nationalisation? I just don't know. I suppose there are advantages and disadvantages to all.

    I think a majority of Americans want the US to remain one nation, but I also think there's confusion about what the even means. A nation is more than a legal or civic arrangement. A nation is a group of people who share a common culture, language, traditions, beliefs, etc. I suppose we do share a lot of those things, but not necessarily all. And so when any American talks about America as a nation, I think they're talking about their own conception of it, their own experience of it, and our own conceptions and experiences of being "American" differ. I think that's part of what's happening right now: different Americans competing for the power to define what it means to be American, for all.

    But, ultimately, it's not up to me, anyway. I don't have the power to determine America's future. I'm just along for the ride.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Have you not been paying any attention?

    THEY FUCKING ESCALATE WITHOUT AN EXCUSE ALL THE TIME.

    Where is this bullshit "oh guys let's not agitate them it might make it worse"

    THERE'S NOT MUCH WORSE THAN LOSING FREE ELECTIONS

    ESCALATE. FIGHT. FUCK THEM.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    No. That's exactly what they want. They want us to give them a reason to escalate. If they escalate anyway, then they expose themselves as the violent fascists that they are. That's important. Public perception does matter.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    They've already exposed themselves. What are you waiting for? What is your line? When they come for you? Offer an alternative that isn't just "wait until things are REALLY REALLY BAD and then that will be our opportunity to point at that; and pointing at that fascist state will somehow defeat it."

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    As we learned from Superman (2025) and Zootopia 2, all that's required to stop the bad guys is reveal their evil to the public. Then they will magically lose their power and be held accountable. What's that? The crimes of Trump's regime have already been exposed repeatedly? But they haven't been arrested, removed from power, or even lost much reputation? Fuck, now what?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    It's frustrating how many people actually think the world is like a superhero movie.

    It also doesn't help that we teach history in the same form as well. Rarely much time spent on the unnamed masses that actually make things change. And if we do it's only because they protested peacefully a lot. Or were justified in fighting some "ultimate evil" that liberals will only agree exists decades after the fact.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    "No. That's exactly what they want. They want us to give them a reason to escalate".

    They already ARE escalating, and have been for months, without an excuse. They don't need an excuse.

    "If they escalate anyway, they expose themselves as the violent fascists they are".

    They already have. Now what? What happens when they expose themselves and everyone can see the violent fascists they are? The adults come back into the room and remove their privileges?

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    They already ARE escalating

    If you think this is the maximum extent of how far they could escalate things, you are delusional.

    There's a reason why they wear masks, why they lie, manipulate and spread propaganda: because they can't yet act with total impunity. If they could they wouldn't bother with the masks or the secrecy, they'd just roll their tanks down every main street in the nation, capturing and/or killing anyone they felt like. They want that, but they can't possibly get away with that. Yet. There are too many citizens and social, cultural, and political institutions preventing them from the full, violent takeover that they want.

    However, if they can convince enough Americans that the "violent, traitorous left" is a serious enough threat, that they need to be given the powers to really take forceful control, then maybe. That's why they want us to commit violent acts against them, so they can portray us as violent socialists hell bent on destroying America. THEY WANT US TO ACT OUT VIOLENTLY AGAINST THEM. They're hoping for it.

    You know who knew this? Martin Luther King. He didn't advocate so strongly for nonviolent resistance just because he wanted to be a nice, peaceful guy. He did it because he knew the white supremacists desperately wanted to goat black civil rights activists into acting out violently, so that they could then go before a mostly ignorant, white populace and say, "See! See how violent these blacks can be?! We need to respond with force!"

    I'm telling you, trying to fight violence with violence is a very poor strategy. Maybe it will eventually come to that. Maybe a full out, knock down, drag out fight is inevitable, but we're not there yet. Don't be so quick to go to war. Not when it can still be prevented.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Absolutely agree - many states also pay their poll workers for their time and efforts, I am in a swing state and have served multiple elections since 2020 and yes the shift is a long one but it is very rewarding.

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  • [–] 47 points 9 months ago (6 children)
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    There is no legal justification for the Federal Gov't to take over elections in the US, as that is the purview of the State's, according to the constitution, if I'm not mistaken.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    And that only matters if it is enforced.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    And that only matters if it is enforced.

    So my understanding of the creation of the US constitution was most of the framers were the oligarchs of their day. Rich, businessmen, landowners, brewers and so on.

    They, their money and power, was directly affected by the British attempts to tax them. So they came up with a social contract (albeit a broken one, riddled with contradictions and errors (all men, ahem, not black, are, apparently, created equal)) in order to convince a whole lotta people to put their lives on the line to fight for their money freedom.

    The people who should be leading the US into grinding general strikes, the democrat party, and its money men (entertainers, Hollywood and a host of corporations) have yet to have their money affected by Trump and his oligarchs/fascists.

    Until they are you are on your own

    Which is why a grass root movement needs to start pushing for a general strike, a national, union for the people, not based on employment that supports and funds front line protesters and people in critical jobs, to strike without losing their homes and families.

    There is a wealth of funds, hell a single multi millioniare could be setting up food and support for large scale protests. A dozen multi millioniares in the 100m range could be funding a huge social moment. Yet their fucking cowards.

    Until their doors are kicked in they won't give a shit. Which is why I've stopped watching US anti Trump shows like Colbert, Seth and Stewart.

    They made millions and millions of dollars warning us about trump, speaking truth to what mainstream politicians refused to say let alone do something about. Yet they won't speak truth that justice, freedom and equality are no longer universal anymore. The social contract is being ripped up.

    Which is why you can't leave it up to anyone who claimed to be a leader.

    Start organising. Start meeting with your neighbours, community and start finding like minded people

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  • [–] 42 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    So no more states rights? Where's all the Republican objectors? Smaller government? 2nd Amendment?

    Nothing cause they'v always been fucking cheaters and hypocrites in addition to pedophiles and rapists.

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    I feel so afraid for the future.

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago

    Tell me again how we were paranoid for thinking he planned to interfere with the election

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    Act of war.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    We tried to warn them...

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago*

    For many years, State's rights was one of the few "Republican issues" that I agreed with; I think stronger State government is needed as a check and balance to the Feds from gathering too much power. They are the ONLY real check and balance in my opinion as judges are much more easily bought.

    So, the Rs have done the "old switcheroo", like Democrats have with labor post Reagan.

    Now, we have unchecked Federal government power and practically zero labor, with 10% of labor force in a union. Labor was a fantastic source of support for the Democrats for many years, from organizing protests to strikes and so on to force change.

    And humorously, that 10% is mostly government employees and police and such. The unions have been bought out and/or dismantled.

    AND the source for organizing now, social media, is also the State surveillance system. Infiltration of organizations is automatic. No exceptions.

    Good luck

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Um so there is a document that says that isn’t ok so…

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    to the shock of no one.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    We have been telling these right-wing morons for years that he was doing this shit, and we told Democrats this shit would happen, but they kept saying he wouldn’t or the walls of our government would stop him.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    We still don’t get it.

    It’s fine if they do it.

    Because they made themselves deliberately hysterical over the made up potential idea that democrats might do something to the election like election fraud after they themselves attempted it and after they ranted about voter fraud when they were constantly getting caught doing it.

    So they went ahead and did it because in their made up world the dems were all crooked so they figured it was fine if they did it first.

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    It's incredible that americans still believe that they can win peacefully.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    Voting isn't about winning. They're going to fuck with it. It's about forcing their hand. There are still a lot of people who will turn on them if they prominently destroy free elections. We need to create a situation that can't be denied, particularly by the military brass, that they're breaking their oath of office. It's already obvious, but it isn't coup levels of obvious.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Have you been watching any of the elections we've had in the past year?

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Have you been watching the title of this post?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Oh no, a post title.

    If they were canceling elections why haven't they started yet?

    Republicans now have a one vote margin in the House thanks to Democrats winning regular and special elections over the last year.

    Democrats have flipped 20% of Republican seats, Republicans have flipped none.

    We've been seeing an unprecedented slide to the left in elections over and over in 2025, including one in Texas over the weekend that went D+14 and just two years ago was a solid Trump district at R+17. That's a 31 point shift to the left. In Texas.

    There have been dozens of shifts of that magnitude.

    Not to mention the several Democratic governors and AGs that have been elected - and those are the ones who challenge the administration in court (and have been winning most of those challenges by the way).

    Elections have consequences, and they know that too. If they were going to mess with them they would and should have done so already.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    If they were canceling elections why haven't they started yet?

    If they want to build concentration camps, why haven't they started yet?

    if they want to deport law-abiding citizens, why haven't they started yet?

    if they want to create their own masked thug army, why haven't they started yet?

    Anyone who's been paying attention should KNOW that "hasn't happened yet" does NOT necessarily mean that they won't do something.

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    We're talking about elections, which decide who is on power to decide whether those other things you brought up are allowed to happen.

    If you want to give up your agency, roll over and show your belly, and comply in advance, then fine. Don't vote. I will be both voting and working the polls in November.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    We're talking about elections, which decide who is on power to decide whether those other things you brought up are allowed to happen.

    Which is why it's important not to rest on "they haven't started yet"

    If you want to give up your agency, roll over and show your belly, and comply in advance, then fine.

    That's the OPPOSITE of what I'm advocating.

    Don't vote

    Fuck that. I've never missed a vote since I first became old enough 25 years ago and I'm not planning on starting now.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago

    he wants you to

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Oh look fake news from the pathological lying pedophile.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You don't believe he will fuck with the elections, even after saying it, and all the other shit he's done?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Of course they will. It's called voter suppression, and it's been happening in this country since we've been a country. Welcome to America.

    Grow up and take charge of your future. No one's coming to save you but yourself.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They’re likely right.

    Midterms are going to hit the Republicans hard, they barely have a majority as it stands.

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