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[–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

If they thought they feared for their lives before, I wonder how they feel now that they've been named and had their pictures posted everywhere. If that were me, I'd be afraid to leave my fucking house.

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    [–] 34 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Oh god.... This is SNL level embarrassment shit right there!

    What the heck are Hispanic people doing in the ranks of that demonic org?

    I guess there's bad people no matter where you go, so that's a simple explanation.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They get a $50k sign on bonus in 5 years, assuming Trump is still in power, and actually pays the bill.

    That's alot of assumptions, but none of these shit for brains are too clever so who really knows what they were thinking.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Got some bad news for those folks. It's 10K a year in good standing but if they fall out of good standing (a vaguely defined measuring stick) they have to pay back the bonus...going all they way back to signing.

    Just another assumption for them.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    The leader of the Proud Boys was hispanic.

    The Right deliberately started including hispanics / Latinos as white people years ago. Note that I'm not saying anyone is or isn't white, only that the "definition" of a terrible group was changed to capture votes. White supremacists can fuck off.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    What are the odds it wasn't them? They just became fall guys for the white agents?

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Pretty low dude. Historically some of the most racist groups toward 2nd generation Irish immigrants were 1st wave Irish immigrants. Humans are impressively fucking stupid which is why I don't have any.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago

    Defy. Defend. Dispose.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    That SNL cold open was quite good.

    "What were you told we should be doing?"

    "Um, wilding out?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3L7AjNfTKM

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    Of course, "I got mine, pull up the ladder!”

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Well the chances of prosecution have increased since it is now a minority on white guy crime.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Doesn’t this demonstrate how utterly ridiculous the “minority” and “majority” labels are?

    Don’t get me wrong… these terms are useful in a particular context, when you’re worried about a minority of people being underrepresented, underprivileged, overly-scrutinized, etc. but let’s not forget, in these cases, it’s always relative to a “majority” who has better circumstances. That’s to say, the minority wouldn’t be underprivileged if it were not for a majority that is equally so overly privileged.

    Where do these groups come from in the first place? Is there something about the blood of a Latino man that makes him fundamentally and categorically different than anyone else? What about when that Latino man legally enters the US and decides to join ICE in the process of capturing other Latino men, has his blood then been purified to another category? What if the Latino man goes to his home country, and he’s magically no longer a minority, has his blood then again changed? Obviously not.

    Being minority or majority seems to have a lot to do with whatever arbitrary categories you fit into, dependent typically upon a single factor. Some big ones:

    • Where were you born?
    • What god do you believe in?
    • Do you eat meat?
    • What sex are you attracted to?
    • Do you identify with your birthed gender?
    • …

    We create categories from the answers to these arbitrary facts about oneself, and we then rely on those categories to identify groups of people. But these facts don’t really tell you anything about the people they supposedly represent. Perhaps you learn one detail about an individual, such as “they’re a vegan.” Yet, you don’t know why they’re a vegan—so what good is knowing they’re a vegan at all (unless you’re catering, of course)? Yet, despite not knowing much about about these people, we use these categories as a platform to stereotype them—to reduce them into simple facts and pretend we actually do know everything about them.

    Why do we have an instinctual bias toward this behavior—toward creating “in groups” and “out groups” out of thin air, and then using that logic as a gospel for ethical intervention? To me, this entire categorization thing seems as though it’s only valuable as a platform for controlling people. What’s most deceiving, though, is the fact that you must use this same platform to counter it. You have to “advocate for vegans” if you want to help out their underprivileged community — thus using the same platform for reducing people down to easily identifiable categories.

    People should start saying, “I’m not vegan. I just can’t stand to eat meat given all the animal cruelty.” Or “I’m not vegan. I just have a rare allergy to protein and might die if I eat meat.” Or “I’m not Latino. I was just born in a Latin country.” … doing this might sound silly, but I think it cuts the lifeline used by oppressors here. Stop categorizing us — stop categorizing yourself. You’re a complex and highly dynamic person.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I'm not trying to start a debate on classification, I am just pointing out that the powers that be will have less inclination to protect one of their own based solely on things like skin tone. The only person prosecuted for all of the financial wrongdoing associated with the 2008 collapse was a black guy.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    I wonder what MAGA thinks of two guys with those names killing a white American man practicing his 1st and 2nd amendment rights properly on his own streets? Is there a limit to their hypocrisy? Are they just that insulated from actual news that they cannot even learn about it?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Let's arrest some pick mes.

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  • [–] 47 points 9 months ago (21 children)

    Two Mexicans killed an American, lmao.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Two Americans with Mexican sounding names killed an American.

    Are you sure you don't work for ICE?

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    I don't even live in the American wasteland lol

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Ah well your prejudice would make you useful to them.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Maybe he's using ICE's logic on them as a form of irony?

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Not really, I was thinking the exact same thing when I heard the name. These ICE agents are exactly the ones that would be accused of being an illegal Mexican immigrant under the current way ICE is functioning, and it feels ironic that they're the ones killing other Americans for ICE's sake.

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  • [+] -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You need to learn how to read. I never said what you claimed I did.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    The same thing I was saying is using ICE agents logic back on themselves. Did you really think I actually thought they were Mexican or something? My whole point was that the original comment might not mean it literally. Man, you people have trouble with reading comprehension, don't you?

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    It's ok that I'm racist to this person, because I don't like them!

    So ironic, so progressive.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)

    If my suggestion was correct, tell my how you think the other guy is racist when he doesn't think they are actually Mexican?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    What.

    Lmao. What do they teach in schools these days... I don't think that your suggestion is correct. The person called them Mexicans because they had Latino names.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, so if that's your argument against the likelihood of my explanation being true, that would make perfect sense. What I don't understand is why people are so quick to accuse me of being racist as if I'm claiming them to be Mexican? All I see are people not wanting to understand what point I'm making and jumping to conclusions.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    It was the part where you said:

    Not really, I was thinking the exact same thing when I heard the name. These ICE agents are exactly the ones that would be accused of being an illegal Mexican immigrant under the current way ICE is functioning, and it feels ironic that they’re the ones killing other Americans for ICE’s sake.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    How do you know they're Mexicans ?

    They are Spanish names they could be Venezuelan or Brazillian.

    They consider themselves to be European and a cut above the native American population in Mexico.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Good luck getting justice with this admin.

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    [–] 13 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Jesus Ochoa and Raymundo Gutierrez do not sound very Caucasian to me... are these idiots ever going to realize they eating their own?

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    They know they are, thats why they signed up. Its what happens to kids when all they see is hate towards people that look like them. Either they join their community and galvanize against it or reject it and begin to hate themselves

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    [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Considering that most of the people supporting ICE view everything through the most basic “us vs them” tribalism lens, Im curious to see how this shakes out.

    Assuming a lot of pro-ICE people probably originally imagined the shooters as typical white good ol boy agents making a career of terrorizing brown people, what happens now? How does the white christofascist hierarchy assign placement to a hispanic ICE agent, which in their mind is surely virtually an oxymoron?

    With Good’s killing, obviously they still support the ICE agent who killed a liberal, because liberal is obviously an outgroup of lesser people to them

    With Pretti, a fairly traditional white good ol boy figure who cares for veterans and carries a firearm but also is protesting against ICE operations is killed by two brown ICE agents. The veneer of him being some kind of liberal domestic terrorist quickly falls apart, and now they have to rectify supporting ICE ops with the fact that now someone closer to their imagined in-group was killed by two officers they would otherise. They have to swallow the fact that they too could be shot dead if they were carrying in the street while protesting government actions. And these are people that hardly ever stop thinking of potentially rallying against the government if it doesnt do exactly what they want

    I imagine in confronting that, some people on the right will start to be against ICE ops, and somehow the rest will perform mental gymnastics so impressive that they could earn olympic gold

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Uncle Tom mother fuckers.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I hope to see "wanted" pictures soon with their nice smiling faces on them

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