I agree Trump and the ambassador to the US do help the public in supporting not going with the F-35 but calling it a potential phyrric victory because of the Gripens is too much
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I would actually say go ahead with the limited purchase. Then use the F-35 as aggressor aircraft in training that way we know how to fight them.
Doesn't the US hold some software keys?
I know what he’s talking about: not against American pilots, but as make-believe American pilots.
Which is a good idea, but not perfect: American pilots will have noticeably different behaviours and tactics, and even personality types that are (generally) not found up here. While training against other Canadians in an F-35 is great, it’s not as good as training against Americans in an F-35.
But that’s the trick - how do we get America, using F-35 aircraft, to help us to train up our Gripen pilots?
And when our original order of 88 or so F-35 planes could, if completely cancelled and on a per-dollar basis, buy 420 Gripens straight from Europe, how do we get America to unknowingly train up so many Gripen pilots?
No, I mean I think the US can remote disable the plane
I’m not sure that’s a confirmed thing but Trump did make the threat last year, so 🤷
Sorry, I am missing it I guess?
It doesn't matter if you only use them in training. At worst you can't train, but it doesn't stop you from responding to an actual military situation.
Pretty expensive training cost for the benefit.
Especially since, as Ukraine has shown, buying swarms of little drones can make expensive airplanes like the F-35 a non-factor.
I'm not Canadian, but as someone who doesn't like the US military, I'd advise you to cancel your contracts with the US, and buy lots of drones from China and Turkey, while you ramp up your local capacity to build them. Let the Americans choke on their own military contractor welfare.
Your “friend” is threatening you. To invade your airspace and also…they don’t need anything from you.
What a bunch of moronic bullies.
Enough is enough, let them fall on their own sword. Canada can do without a friend like that.
Original source
https://ottawacitizen.com/public-service/defence-watch/us-ambassador-canada-f35-order
I sometimes point to the F35 sales as an example of what it means to be an America ally, as China would never sell this level of weaponry to anybody.
It is amazing how fast Trump is dismantling the partnerships that helped maintain peace.
You get planes that can't fly in the rain at an insane price?
Yes, because even though America made a shitty fighter jet, it is their best fighter jet, and likely better than your fighter jet(when working), and they will sell it to you because they believe non-Americans can be allies.
China will never ally themselves with anybody else at that level. They are an ethnostate that purges minorities and redraws the borders to capture land from their “allies” like clockwork.
Quip if you must, but know the next hegemon in line will barely tolerate you as a vassal.
You’d need to be a total fool to believe this would have any positive outcome.
Ya know who HASN'T been invaded any time in the past fifty years? North Korea. Wanna guess why?
There’s literally nothing there worth fighting over. Like zero value whatsoever.
It's negative value, because you'd have tons of poor refugees. And it would cost massive billions to rebuild.
They’re sitting on $20 trillion in rare earth minerals and prior to NK demonstrating nuclear capability the US was ratcheting up their sabre rattling.
There is every reason to have nuclear weapons.
I’ve been to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Nothing will ever convince me that nuclear weapons are a good idea. It’s a weapon of cowards every single time.
No point in continuing this conversation it appears. It’s how the yanks think. More and bigger guns always better. We’re better than that.
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