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[–] 222 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (9 children)

Lemon was with dozens of anti-Immigration and Customs Enforcement protesters as they rushed into Cities Church in St. Paul, Minnesota, earlier this month, interrupting a church service and leading to tense confrontations.

“Don Lemon was taken into custody by federal agents last night in Los Angeles, where he was covering the Grammy awards,” his attorney Abbe Lowell said in a statement early Friday. “Don has been a journalist for 30 years, and his constitutionally protected work in Minneapolis was no different than what he has always done. The First Amendment exists to protect journalists whose role it is to shine light on the truth and hold those in power accountable.”

“Instead of investigating the federal agents who killed two peaceful Minnesota protesters, the Trump Justice Department is devoting its time, attention and resources to this arrest, and that is the real indictment of wrongdoing in this case,” Lowell added. “This unprecedented attack on the First Amendment and transparent attempt to distract attention from the many crises facing this administration will not stand. Don will fight these charges vigorously and thoroughly in court.”

This is bad.

EDIT - I should have said: This is really, really, really bad.

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  • [–] [S] 123 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Unfortunately, bad is a severe understatement. At this rate, it's only a matter of time before the regime starts raiding newsrooms.

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  • [–] 41 points 9 months ago* (5 children)
  • [–] [S] 48 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    And he's just the first. They apparently just arrested independence journalist Georgia Fort in Minneapolis and took her to the Whipple Building.

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  • [–] 173 points 9 months ago (41 children)
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  • [+] -34 points 9 months ago (39 children)

    The US is putridly the source of all evil, pretty much. If one of you guys' pentagon nukes self-detonated the world would be a better place.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (4 children)
  • [+] -14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Debatable with the atrocities your country commits on an hourly basis.

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  • [+] 33 points 9 months ago (33 children)
  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    millions of people here who too lazy to even vote to save their own democracy...

    fixed that for ya

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  • [+] -11 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    If only those kind and compassionate people had gone out to vote that last time... I would have believed it. Sure some people are nice but boy these nice people shot themselves in the foot

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  • [+] 7 points 9 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    That is a misleading comparison. People voting are not children regardless of what they like to watch. This fucker told you what he was going to do and so many nice people said yep that's what we want or they only liked parts of it and ignored the rest. Because it aligned with their truth, beliefs or whatever bullshit you guys tell yourselves, some hated gays (see the Latino community who voted mostly orange), hated blacks, immigrants or your favorite niche of hate. The orange fucker promised to sooth all your collective hates but you all ignored that you might be the subject of someone's hate...

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Even if one voted on the premise of smaller government, yay small towns, less spending, fiscal responsibility, good christian, blah, blah, blah… that the republicans constantly state is their goal, they haven’t managed to do any of that maybe ever. They have been doing exactly the opposite for decades.

    There is no reason to think this time it will be different. None. Not with trump’s track record or any of the other republicans who kiss the ring.

    So doing the math, it means republican voters are willfully ignorant or stupid, or their hatreds of some facet of democrats or the people they represent were the overriding factors in voting for trump. There really isn’t much in between.

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  • [+] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Nobody is perfect that much is true. But you need a lot of self reflection. Is not about my country or some other. It is your country and at the end of the day I couldn't care less what happened to it if it didn't affect so much of the rest of the world.

    Blaming the media and people in power is the childish

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  • [+] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Oh boy we have this problem too, every election cycle. We have people looking fondly to a time when we were not part of eu, they call it when we were sovereign whatever that means. But they conveniently forget you needed a visa to get everywhere and to get that you have to queue at an embassy and wait about a week or more. They forget that even making phone calls to and from roaming used to cost a fortune, hello everything was more complicated and tedious. But noo eu is so bad for paper straws and a few other stupid things I don't want to get into. Don't get me wrong it has its flaws but damn mist of these people complain and want out of eu while working in eu!! Talk about stupidity manifested. Anyway so far, with one exception were said stupidity manifested in the most spectacular way, most countries stay in despite all the best efforts of a certain vodka fueled country which shall remain nameless.

    You are right it is not a given and it is a constant battle but in your case your system has never been tested this way. I really hope it will hold.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    One thing you have to keep in mind is these people might not be aware of the things he promised. Not everyone is terminally online doom scrolling politics, and the media sources they consume likely buried the information or straight up lied about it.

    They're still ultimately responsible for being negligent, but a great many people don't know the platforms of the people they vote for.

    The Republicans have been waging war against our education system for over 50 years now, critical thinking and questioning authority are actively discouraged, and they've been told since birth they have to vote R or the Democrats will take everything from them. They were raised in a cult.

    Don't automatically attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. There's a good reason why people tend to be less right leaning after college.

    The people, in my opinion, who are most to blame are the people who knew what he promised, but didn't vote for Harris out of protest. They were ultimately what caused Trump to win.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Yes you may be right about the ignorance vs malice. There is a lot of ignorance everywhere and it feels like malice because it is incomprehensible how one can be so unaware of what is happening around them.

    The education system has been under attack everywhere, I think in every country for the past 30 years standards have dropped every year.

    Those people that didn't vote out of protest had the worst timing in history agreed.

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  • [+] -13 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    Your ancestors inspired the atrocities of the Holocaust, and more than 41% of your current citizens would vote for Trump again if they had the chance. You guys are not all compassionate and kind like your echo chamber opinions and rose-coloured glasses make it seem.

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  • [+] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)
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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    If it’s less than half it is literally a minority.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    LOL this has to be rage bait. Even an American would know better.

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Minorities are not always absolute. You can't, in good faith, say that Trump voters (who got him ELECTED for fuck's sake) and who currently poll him at 41+% count as a "minority" the same way any other "minority" exists, such as LGBT at 15ish %. You're arguing in such bad faith that it's actually ridiculous. Typical American mindset.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Again to point out for the rest: this is a textbook troll. It's too perfect a mix of being demonstrably incorrect with being aggressively overconfident. It's 100% ragebait, and the odds of someone truly being this ignorant while also being so furiously certain are low. Then ending with an insult? It's too on the nose.

    I'm not suggesting people don't interact. I simply suggest we mock them for their poor trolling skills.

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  • [–] 133 points 9 months ago* (20 children)

    Attorney General Pam Bondi denounced the protest [...] saying [...] that the scene was “horrific.”

    Horrific? A protest? People shouting to get attention and be heard is horrific?

    Tell me you've led the most privileged of lives without telling me. What a completely unrelatable train wreck. You've got conservatives who've seen combine accidents and IEDs and child soldiers — the true horrors of the world. Let's see what their response is.

    Crickets.

    I see.

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It was only "horrific" because it happened in a church. The Administration is trying to make it into a hate crime against Christians. But, the protest took place because the pastor is supposedly an ICE director:

    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/19/protesters-interrupt-service-at-cities-church-in-st-paul-claiming-pastor-works-for-ice

    Fascists shouldn't get to hide behind a pulpit.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 9 months ago

    And somehow, I get the feeling this DOiJ would defend the first amendment rights of the God Gats F*gs church the next time they decide to protest the funeral service of a gay victim of hate crime. Not only that, but I get the feeling this DOiJ would make it a crime to drown them out or block the view of their spectacle from the funeral.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    Welcome to fascism! Enjoy your stay!

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  • [+] -16 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    A gentle reminder that 2/3rds of the voting population voted for this.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Not even 2/3rds of the voting population voted. The turnout was 64% of eligible voters. Trump won the popular vote with 49.8% of the votes. That's about 32% of eligible voters that voted for this.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    The people who didn't vote aren't some magical absolution of responsibility. They were either okay with this or didn't care either way, and apathy doesn't count in the "good" pile. I'm an American and want to find a way to justify defending the US too, but this particular argument doesn't hold any water. I could JUST as easily claim they all would've voted for Trump and they didn't show up because they figured he had it in the bag.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I mean... in a sense I kind of agree. Voter apathy largely allows people like Trump to win elections. On the other hand, 64% turnout is among record highs, even for a US presidential election, which traditionally draw the highest voter turnout. There are always people that don't vote. I don't assume that they all don't care or are okay with the results. There are plenty of people who aren't able to vote for a variety of reasons. Some of them because of economic or health limitations. Some of them due to outright voter suppression activity.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Just 1/3rd. But the other 1/3rd stood by and watched it happen, which is almost just as bad.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    1/3 didn't want a democracy, so they got Fascism.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Ignoring that these dems were doomed to fail. You seem to spend a lot of time blaming all of the voters and zero time blaming the Democratic establishment that refuses to adopt a winning fucking strategy. So excuse me if I don't tell you to piss all the way off as you parrot the excuses of the establishment to stay in power and do it again and again and again. It's already too fucking late because you trusted these ivy league fucking cunts in the establishment.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Not even close to 2/3 trolling rage baiter.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    1/3rd voted for Trump.

    1/3rd didn't vote.

    I'm no math major, but...

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    For the longest time half the population didn't vote. In 2020 I think the population that did vote went way up in percent. That said you seem to be spending a lot of energy blaming the voters that did not perpetually vote for a ever declining Democratic party that we knew could not win elections as they are. We knew what the electorate was, and you Forrest your week corporatist cunt establishment Democrats and they let you to blame everybody else and ignore the fact that they are running a doomed to fail strategy. You have nothing to say about that? I'm raising my voice in the last part there.

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  • [–] 68 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    I had been reading elsewhere that the Justice Department had already gone to two Federal judges to press charges against him, only to be denied. I am interested to see whether they bothered a third time, or simply took him into custody without the paperwork, because they could.

    Who's gonna stop them?

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago

    They did some wildly unprecedented legal maneuvers to try to get these warrants.

    1. Went to magistrate duty judge, who approved 3/8 warrants.
    2. Went to that judge's manager, Chief Judge Schlitz. He didn't outright deny the warrants, he just wanted to take a few days to think about it.
    3. That wasn't good enough. They went to the judge-manager's manager, the 8th circuit court of appeals. In a sealed emergency petition for writ of mandamus.
    4. Judge Schlitz was required to defend himself in this mandamus action with two hours of notice and he wasn't even allowed to read the papers.

    Since the mandamus action failed, it seems likely that the government has gotten a grand jury indictment. Which process bypasses judges nearly entirely.

    Note that it's pretty normal to get indictments first in the federal courts (before the current times), because if the feds arrest someone on a complaint, they have a 30 day deadline to get that indictment. If they don't arrest first, there's no deadline and they can retry as many times as they want.

    So normally the feds only use complaints when they need to get someone off the street urgently. These feds use complaints because they only care about splashing the perp walk on social media. They don't care what happens to the case after that.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    They may have gotten an indictment through a grand jury.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    You think? Their track record with Grand Juries is not the best. They tried to indict the sandwich guy 2 times through a grand jury and failed, had to downgrade the charges to misdemeanors since don't require a grand jury and then the jury in the misdemeanor trial acquitted the guy.

    My guess is they used an administrative warrant, those have no real oversight and they've been using them a lot.

    An administrative warrant is a warrant obtained from a judge by an administrative body to search for violations of administrative rules and regulations. While similar to a criminal warrant, an administrative warrant requires a lower standard of probable cause to be granted. Administrative warrants are governed by 49 USC §32707.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    That's what reporting seems to indicate. I'm fairly shocked they managed to get a jury to go along with this. The charges look extremely flimsy on multiple levels.

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    [–] 41 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If ONLY Journalists had bent MORE at the Knee to Trump MAYBE he would THINK about NOT Arresting them at Some Point!

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    So when are blue states going to stand up for the constitution in a real way?

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Pretty obvious by now Democrats will go quietly into the good night.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Without the context I felt super out of the loop, but no, it's the church protests that's being treated as some crazy hate crime that it isn't. I just didn't expect Don Fucking Lemon to be involved, lol.

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Don Lemon was there as an independent reporter interviewing the protestors and church people as the protest was going on. I just watched Legal Eagle's video about the protest yesterday.

    Basically, it boils down to the federal government pushing to get a perp walk (photos of the alleged criminal in handcuffs being walked by "authorities") to plaster photos of them all over social media to make the accused look bad. As Legal Eagle says, it's the federal government making content and doing it for the memes.

    Once they're arrested, federal lawyers TRY to get them in front of a judge to get them (protestors and Don't Lemon now) convicted of something, but in this case a whole bunch of judges have said, "What you're doing doesn't make sense and hasn't been done before, but if you want to try this case in front a grand jury - go ahead." The judge knows they won't because they'll lose so the case eventually gets dropped - but hey, they got some good photos of people they don't like!

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago

    Kinda makes it seem like journalists spending ten years making Trump seem like a viable candidate didn't protect them very much, huh?

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    The scary thing is the US hasn’t even hit peak fash yet.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    There's a concept in law enforcement whereby arresting one person dissuades others from doing similar things.

    I wonder if the Trump admin doesn't want reporters in Minneapolis. /s

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    There's a concept in law enforcement whereby arresting one person dissuades others from doing similar things.

    It doesn't even have to be about being arrested. The threat of lawsuit, broadcasting licences not being renewed, or business acquisition of a media company by another not being approved by the government elicits enough fear to corporate journalists. These are done well before using threat of arrest to suppress free press.

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