I see a lot of people saying that countries like Israel, Latvia, Belgium and Dubai are not real countries, but how are they not? They seem to meet the threshold. How are they any less real then any other country?

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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

https://vimeo.com/128427174

I don't know if the rest of that series is available, but there you go.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    ???

    Out of the ones you mention, Dubai is in fact not a real country and I have not seen anyone claim that it is; it is a city and region of the country called the United Arab Emirates.

    Israel isn't universally recognized by all countries because some countries claim it is illegitimate (for religious reasons, because they say it is a colonialist project, etc. etc.).

    Belgium is a country with different parts speaking different languages also spoken in neighboring countries, that is why some people have claimed it's not (culturally) its own country, but I don't think anyone seriously refuses to recognize it as a country.

    As for Latvia, no idea whatsoever what you're talking about.

    So the question as asked is unanswerable because you're giving confusing and inconsistent examples.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "Out of the ones you mention, Dubai is in fact not a real country and I have not seen anyone claim that it is;"

    I swear to god I read a wiki article about the state of Dubai. I've also seen other people talk about it as if it's a country.

    "As for Latvia, no idea whatsoever what you’re talking about."

    A lot of communists don't like the three Baltic states, Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia. They calm there not real countries for some reason. They say the same for the Ukraine.

    "So the question as asked is unanswerable because you’re giving confusing and inconsistent examples."

    The examples I gave didn't matter. I was asking a broader question about what makes the country legitimate or not.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Dubai is likely the most well-known part of the UAE, so you may have heard people mention Dubai as if it were a country (because the audience might associate more with "Dubai" than "UAE"), without them meaning to imply that it's a real country.

    There are certainly irredentist movements in many parts of the world that want to restore previous states of geopolitics, including the existence of the Soviet Union.

    A country is ultimately a country if it is recognized as such by other countries. There are videos on the Internet that give greater details (search for keywords like "how many countries are there"). There are many places that some other countries say are countries, others not.

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  • The Map Men explain it better than I could:

    How do you start a new country? https://youtu.be/hX4s1ZLW_PI

    There are NOT 195 countries https://youtu.be/3nB688xBYdY

    And just for fun...

    The mystery of the squarest country https://youtu.be/8mrNEVUuZdk

    (Yes, I'm a big fan!)

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Legally: if any other countries recognize it.

    Morally: no country is real. Nationalism is a mind virus.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    Dubai is a city and the capital of the UAE.

    Edit: Dubai is the capital of the Emirate of Dubai, an emirate of the UAE. The capital of the UAE is Abu Dhabi.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    But on Wikipedia it says it's a country?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The emirate of Dubai a state (not a country)inside the UAE similar to how California is a state inside the USA.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I swear there is a page on Wikipedia about the country of Dubai.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    You could just post the link.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Dubai was an independent country before 1971. (Although sort of under the British since 1833, the exact details varied over time.)

    Either that or you're thinking about Djibouti.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yeah, it's a bit complicated. They retain some level of sovereignty within the UAE as I understand it, unlike Califonia, which since the civil war has basically been just a subnational division.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The amount of countries that recognize it as a country. Yes, it's circular logic. That said, if they act independent of other countries, they are likely a country whether recognized or not.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    For a fun side topic, take a look at Micronations

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    There's a set of "official" countries that legally recognise each other, but in practice any group that has a local monopoly on the use of violence (so, trapping people in jails without going to jail for it, basically) can be equivalent. In fact, some of these have partial recognition, like Taiwan, Kosovo, or the non-official half of Libya.

    Israel, Latvia, Belgium and Dubai

    That's such a mixed bag.

    Dubai is part of some kind of confederation (the UAE), and doesn't even claim to be a full country. Israel exists, but there's a lot of controversy about how it's managed that. Belgium exists, but doesn't have a unified cultural identity the same way as most European countries. Finally, Latvia exists but Russia doesn't want it to, although I might be missing something about how distinct it is from Lithuania.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Mainly if other countries believe it is a country and treat it as a country. You can look at Taiwan as an example. For all intents and purposes, it acts as a country. Yet, almost all countries do not classify Taiwan as a country, so it isn't really a country.

    In modern days, recognition of being a country is generally handled by the UN as it is an organization of countries which recognize each other.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How is any country more real than any other?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    A country is a country to those countries that have said (recognized) them as a country. So all countries have their own list of what countries exists and what borders they have. The same way as borders are drawn differently in google maps depending on what country you access the website from.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    It has to do with recognition. For instance, Sealand meets all of the requirements: a permanent population, a defined territory, an effective government, and the capacity to engage in relations with other states (I believe this is codified somewhere in the UN's laws and policies).

    But, most places don't consider Sealand a real country because other countries don't officially recognize it. Which is kind of weird to think, that being a country is like being a popular girl: if the other popular girls say you're a popular girl, then you are. If they decide you're not, then you're not.

    So, while there is a quantified threshold, the de facto rule is whether other countries recognize you. It's also similar for honorific titles.

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