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[–] 37 points 9 months ago

Wouldn't want unmoderated* information and opinions appearing in Microslop search results now would you?

*unmoderated by Big Tech Fascist AI Filters

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  • [–] 83 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Before you say haha no one is using bing... Your beloved DuckDuckGo uses bing results and this means it's censored there too. And it's not only about the start page https://neocities.org/ (which can be found with DuckDuckGo via Wikipedia Snippet). None of the hosted sites are in the index.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    Well is that true? I searched duckduckgo and kagi something and neocities and both gave results. Bing did not.

    Edit: Seems like I got lucky with search terms. Often it returns nothing the more terms I try. The AI tool in ddg always returns sites so thats weird.

    Well whateever, I switched to Kagi anyways.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I chose a random neocities website and searched with both DDG and Google. The search was "irony machine neocities" without quotes. Google yielded a result which pointed to the correct URL https://irony-machine.neocities.org/ while DDG did not.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    irony machine neocities

    My first duckduckgo result was a scam result site for that domain to check if it was safe, lol.

    Second result was the creators website page that linked back to neocities.

    The duckduck AI result at the top however was a direct link to the neocities page. Interesting.

    Kagi's results were first result was the link.

    I concede though, it is hit and miss with Duckduckgo, even doing site:neocities.org

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Interesting, if i do site:neocities.org with a random search term e.g. site:neocities.org anime in DDG I get zero results. In google, this yields thousands of neocities subdomains. Do you get any relevant results in DDG this way?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I see that. I must have just been lucky with my choice of search terms. I concede, its worse. The AI function shows them though, which is due to it crawling the tags? I don't know.

    I havent used google in a long time, I switched to Kagi and it works.

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago

    Bing/DDG has also blocked the emulation wiki (https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/) for some reason. I noticed when I forgot the domain and tried looking for the site.

    For the record, Google returns it as the top result.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago
    [–] 42 points 9 months ago* (21 children)

    ...people use Bing?

    *checks browser marketshare...

    Ha, Bing doesn't even have 5% marketshare.

    Oh no, Firefox has less than half of Bing's marketshare. Fuck me, what's wrong with internet users. I know Firefox isn't perfect, but there's other forks of it for various use-cases.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I can't even convince my spouse to switch to firefox to get adblocking back. Browsers are entirely transparent to most users :\

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Just install it and change the icon.

    Wait, what browser are they using that doesn’t support plugins? IE11?

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    For normies Chrome IS the internet.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You’re probably too young to remember that in an old version of windows, Internet Explorer’s desktop icon was labeled “The Internet”. Nowadays, people think Google is “the internet”. My boomer dad says he “has Gemini”… bruh, you’re just searching shit on Google.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Over 1.5 million Neocities websites; Geocities, however, is dead.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Ok, same question. People use neocities?

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    1.5 million websites that, whether obscure or not, deserve to be indexed no less than the many obscure GitHub pages that Microsoft is sure to index.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago*

    More than I would have thought, but, 1.5 million html documents on a single site - does anyone go there looking for anything?

    I always just made my own sites, or hosted my own, a static site is easy enough. I wouldn't want to be lumped in with a free site. Warned a lot of people that putting your stuff on geocities was going to be a bad idea, and they almost disappeared altogether.

    But you mentioning Github really is enlightening, because that is the other super easy way to make free sites as long as you have the domain name. So if you had a free geocities site, but owned a domain the redirected to your specific page would it crawl it?

    In any case a search engine IS USELESS if they arbitrarily cut out any domain. No matter what they host.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    I was hoping qwant, with its own (partial) search index, would be immune to it, but searching for neocities also doesn't show any results for neocities.org there unfortunately, or at least it did not for me.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    So, going by the blog post, the entire domain got sanctioned due to a few (proportionally speaking) malicious domains?

    If so, wtf 💩

    Also, for things like this, I'd suggest linking to sites one uses (Neocities or otherwise) between one's friends and followers so discovery of sites flow through the chain of trust. Not as fast discoverable, but avoids algorhithm decisions like this, or shadow ban, or ill-intended sites paying to appear higher, or so on.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Looks like its showing in the DDG results for me this evening.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Money bags over here is laughing at us

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    The price of one coffee a month. Bling bling, mothafuckas!

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

    Kagi is $10 a month for the decent (not weirdly limited) plan. That's a hell of an expensive coffee.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Just giving you shit, though I have always hated the "cup of coffee" comparison as I think people buying those expensive coffees out all the time are being foolish. Coffee at home is much better and much cheaper IMO.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I’m with you, I make it at home and it’s much better and I don’t waste hundreds of dollars a month on it like a lot of people do. What’s a better $5 comparison, a smoothie? Nah, that’s also better at home. How about a scoop of ice cream.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    will ig am switching off DDG

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Startpage seems nice. Uses sanitized results from Google and while it does have an AI feature, it's opt-in (not out) and looks to also be sanitized.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I want to (try) relying less on Google And Microsoft so I decided to try mojeek.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    While I think it's shitty that they did this, part of me also kind of likes it. The most resilient form of web behavior includes bookmarking sites and discovering new sites by them linking to each other, and also via conversation with others online, rather than getting all your sites from a search engine. I get that search engines are useful for lots of things. But maybe this will help kick people's search engine addiction if they realize there's lots of good stuff out there that you can't trust a search engine to surface.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    We need a "Fedi-Search engine"

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Yes I do think something like this would be nice. We don't need one giga search engine with a huge index of everything. Specialized search engines with genre specific indices would be more individually maintainable, and diverse

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Damn they rarely even speak, previous post is from 4 years ago

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  • [+] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)