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[–] 26 points 9 months ago (5 children)

"Only extremists are pushing for conflict."

This is a disastrously ill-informed perspective. There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to rising fascism. There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to massive wealth inequality.

Stop scrolling and sit with these facts. Then stop rage-posting and start planning.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    OK, I don't think you're actually correct. It sounds cool though. It was not only German, Italy, Japan, and Spain that had rising fascism. There was famously a coup planned (The Business Plot) in the US. There were also large movements in France and England too.

    This isn't to say that you shouldn't prepare. It's to say do that and vote. Voting takes so little effort that there's no excuse not to.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Voting takes so little effort that there's no excuse not to.

    What if you have two kids under your watch and work won't let you take off?

    Voting in America is extremely difficult compared to other countries. Just saying "its so easy, just do it" overlooks the plethora of strategies the ruling class uses to disenfranchise voters.

    Also, this is all assuming ICE isn't patrolling every polling station come midterms. At that point, I dont think anyone could honestly say "voting is easy"

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    https://www.adp.com/spark/articles/2024/10/time-off-to-vote-8-facts-employers-should-know.aspx

    28 states require employers to give, at least, some time during work hours to vote by law. Beyond that, many states have mail in voting of some kind, or early voting, or both. Obviously some states don't give you much for options, but it's worth a try.
    Of course, the fact of the matter is, this may be the last time you have to try and save what's left of this country from diving into a fascist dictatorship. I'd say make the effort FOR your kids. Don't make excuses because of them.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Well then I hope you have a better follow through than last time.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    canadians have stopped worrying about america invading anytime soon, its clear they'll have a civil war before then

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    No, not yet

    But yeah, if the Cheeto continues, you will be VERY soon.

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  • [+] -29 points 9 months ago (61 children)

    Well at least we got rid of Biden.

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  • [–] 56 points 9 months ago (59 children)

    Bidens why we're here dude.

    If instead of insisting Biden be the candidate from 2023-2024, if we could have had a real primary, quite literally ALL of this could have been prevented.

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  • [–] 63 points 9 months ago* (41 children)

    And if they hadn't put their thumb on the scale for Hillary in 2016, and she hadn't decided to reach for some imaginary middle razor thin between corporate liberals and fascists, Trump would just be another dumb clown that tried to be a Republican presidential candidate.

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  • [+] -45 points 9 months ago (40 children)

    Ten years later and you’re still talking about Bernie losing the primary.

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  • [–] 46 points 9 months ago (29 children)

    I feel that, for a lot of folks, he was the last candidate that promised an actual brighter future to believe in. It's a shame corporate donors pushed him out of the race, as it left a lot of folks feeling that their voices would never be heard. I think it's even fair to say that his dismissal by the Democrat party directly led to the voter resentment that helped Trump win the elections.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Absolutely did. A TON of Bernie bros would go on to vote for Trump, and Trump ran on a platform of "establishment bad," so having his opponent be the MOST establishment option, who just won their primary through interference by the establishment could not have been better. Not to mention that the Hillary campaign and DNC SUPPORTED Trump's run until he won the primary

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (26 children)

    Yeah I get he lost and people are sad but the next step is to move on instead of letting what’s happening happen.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

    The DNC literally admitted to braking it own rules and cheating for Hillary in court.

    Your bullshit here that Bernie couldn't win the primary so he wouldn't win the general is post-hoc rationalization of the DNC being an undemocratic institution and justifying their theft of the party.

    Without addressing that theft, no primary in the world will fix this.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The Democrat party sucks. But at this point it only matters to historians. Sure it's good to remember how America got into this mess but right now it's more important to figure out how to get out of it. I hope there's no more republican or Democrat party after this

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    First step is not putting your hope that the people who got you into this mess who have every reason to not try and get you out this mess, can and will fix it.

    Part of the purpose of consequences is to stop the damage.

    Obama's whole "Lets not look backward" schtick is what allowed every single person responsible for the Iraq war and 2008 financial crisis, and the 2010 foreclosure-fraud crisis to maintain their positions of power.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Them saying that they are a private institution and make their own rules isn’t quite saying what Trump and co told you it meant.

    It was the easiest legal argument to make.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    A private organization until it is time for federal funding.

    Fuck off, pathetic defender of oligarchy.

    Edit: If the corruption of the DNC was purely an invention of Trump, DWS wouldn't have lost her position and DB wouldn't have lost her job.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Private organizations can get federal funding too.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Love how you ignored the explicit mentions of proven cheating.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You call it cheating because Trump and co told you it was.

    The WikiLeaks documents didn't prove anything Bernie himself realized he lost on Jun 24th and stepped down to endorse Clinton.

    Why do you want to keep rehashing right wing propaganda about a 10 year old primary?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Wikileaks absolutely proved Donna Brazile funneled debate questions to Clinton.

    Trump didn't tell me anything, in that I understand how DKIM works. Evidently you don't, so you want to try and pretend that the emails were faked or modified. That's not how encryption works, though.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    Ah, but we must move on from that as well. The important stuff to pay attention to will only begin in 2032. Nothing until then matters.

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    This is what makes me lose hope in democracy.

    Bernie had no chance of winning a general election when he couldn’t even win a primary that’s why Trump wanted to run against him all three times and now there’s people comparing that with ICE occupying a city and murdering American citizens.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    You have it ass-backwards.

    Losing faith in democracy would be acknowledging that the amount of huge money and influence took power out of voters hands, choosing Hilary for them. You're arguing that people shouldn't vote for the candidate they support because of a system inherently lacking in actual democratic power. You're supporting something that isn't inherently democratic.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    And you’re calling the voting system as it stands undemocratic.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    That is correct. Did you not comprehend what I said?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    He did not lose the primary by democratic means, but by Democratic means. His primary performance cannot be used to gauge his performance in the general.

    However, I agree that there's no point complaining about the corporate Democrats using their power to win. The thing for people who believed in Bernie to do is to get power, and use it to defeat the corporate Democrats.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    You're right that he would have lost if he somehow won the primary. Both the Democrats and Republicans would oppose him, which is impossible to endure, unless Bernie could enact a Trump-style takeover. And the superdelegates thing among others makes that rather unlikely.

    So instead we get good cop bad cop in our elections, and a corporate puppet becomes President no matter what. Which is why I like to vote third party. Giving a vote that makes me an enemy of the entire country is too much fun to pass up.

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Might as well not vote for the value that vote brings but you do you.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I feel quite excellent over the fact that my chosen candidate is not a corporate puppet.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    But you have to weight the fact that they’ll never win either.

    Like I said you do you.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    The DNC literally admitted to braking it own rules and cheating for Hillary in court.

    Your bullshit here that Bernie couldn't win the primary so he wouldn't win the general is post-hic rationalization of the DNC being an undemocratic institution and justifying their theft of the party.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    In a discussion about Democrats fucking up running against Trump? Yeah, that's what the adults are doing here, kiddo.

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  • [+] -18 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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    What happened in 2016 was legitimately fucked up. Bernie was primaried in many key states and his debate performance was excellent. Media completely neglected to mention him and DNC buried him in favor of their pick.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Yes, because if we weren't captured by a single-party corporate system we wouldn't be in this mess. Reactionary fascism arises from the material immiseration of the people. If the Democrats were beholden to improving the lives of citizens rather than clinging to power and corporate interests, we would not be in this mess.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Don't excuse these Nazi's actions by pointing at Biden. Biden didn't turn them into Nazis.

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  • [+] -12 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    I’m pretty sure you’d all would have found a problem with whoever was chosen though.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Ok. So you are a cynic for whom no answer is going to be good enough.

    Maybe just don't share any of your perspectives or opinions in the future then, considering the manner of your opinion did direct harm to our ability to stop Trump when we had the chance?

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  • [+] -16 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    No I think I’ll continue thanks for the advice though!

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

    So you don't disagree that your actions supported Trumps re-election, and you plan on continuing them?

    You should focus on poop jokes.

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  • [+] -8 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I voted for Clinton, Biden and Harris.

    They all ran against him.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Its not about who you voted for. Its about what you do with your words, here.

    You are doing work that directly contributes to fascists winning. So just keep it to your fucking self.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I just explained that I voted against the fascists and that’s what I’ve said too.

    Do you not agree that people should vote Democrat for the upcoming midterms?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I think people who spent 18 months berating people, so they could run a guy who was so utterly incoherent he didn't even know the names of his own policies on stage; I think those people are largely responsible for why fascism has emerged in this country, regardless of how they individually voted. You spent well over a year using your rhetoric in a way that directly contributed to fascism taking over in this country, and hiding behind your identity as a democrat wont change that.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I wonder if it'll be as cool as in the movie

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  • [+] -18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    the far left and the far right will themselves to their glorious climax

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